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News: Cowboys are releasing Orton

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Coy, Jul 15, 2014.

  1. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    It's best not to mention Weeden in the same sentence with a QB who has 2 SB wins including 2 SB MVP awards. Weeden will be 31 in Oct he'll never amount to anything more than a serviceable backup.
     
  2. Vinnie2u

    Vinnie2u Well-Known Member

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    If we're headed for another 8-8, I rather Tank for Bryce Petty....
     
  3. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    I think what is "silly" is assuming that the Cowboys - who mishandled the Ratliff situation to embarrassing degrees -will somehow now recoup money from a player they cut months ago.

    The data I do gave shows that Ratliff has gotten away with it. And that's fact until it changes.
     
  4. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    The data you have is incomplete on the topic. And it isn't a fact that he's gotten away with anything, regardless of whether or not anything changes.
     
  5. Bluestang

    Bluestang Well-Known Member

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    It's silly to believe that the Boys are going to recover money from Ratliff at this point. I believe Mickey Spagnola has already addressed on a previous show that the legal action didn't hold up.

    I could be wrong but not hearing anything at all at this point and now they just released Orton under similar circumstances this pretty much says they've moved on.
     
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  6. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about it.

    To this point, the facts say that he stole money from the Cowboys while faking an injury and to date has gotten away with it.
     
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  7. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    I'll tell myself that because I know what the phrase "has gotten away with it" means.

    Much the same way I don't believe people awaiting criminal prosecution have "gotten away with" anything just because the results of their prosecutions aren't yet known.

    This isn't really a matter of interpretation, stash. Words do have actual meanings.
     
  8. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    Yea, Rat obviously got pissed with Jerry after their confrontation in the lockerroom.
     
  9. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    If the team wants a media circus, they should have drafted Johnny Football.

    The media went crazy when he was on the sideline, I can just imagine the media storm if he was actually suiting up.
     
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  10. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    The word going around is that he does not want to play in the NFL anymore................for anybody............he just didn't want to pay back $3 million and the Cowboys blinked.

    By releasing him, the team has no legal recorse to go after his signing bonus, we apparently told Orton to just keep the money. Have not heard a reason why, maybe Jerry was feeling chariatable.
     
  11. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    Good point..............how do you make a player watch film, lift weights, stay in shape, eat right, ect.........

    You can force a player to "physically" be on the team, but you cannot force a player to "mentally" be on the team.
     
  12. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    I am with you bro, I think he was faking the entire thing because he got pissed Jerry called him out in the lockerroom.

    However, when it comes to legal matters, it doesn't matter what you know or what you think, the only thing that matters is what you can prove.

    Now if his doctors were giving false information to the team, then that is another matter. But if its just a he said, she said situation it is going to be hard to prove he was faking.

    At least we are trying to get something back, run up his legal expenses if nothing else............attorneys are not cheap as I am sure everybody knows.............LOL
     
  13. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    You're right, it's not open to interpretation. There's nothing indicating Ratliff is going to pay anything back or face any discipline.

    Unless you would care to prove otherwise.
     
  14. CCBoy

    CCBoy Well-Known Member

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  15. CCBoy

    CCBoy Well-Known Member

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    Integrity is an area where a person may get away with filling his own bank account while others who are supporting his income are flounderin in an extremely tough economy, and don't care...but that same person can't escape the label of lack of real integrity. Excuses just don't remove this stigma. And there is no hiding from that...lol, even a criminal has protections of rights. But bad taste is always exposed, whether that gets drama and laughter is another story.
     
  16. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    We're going in circles. I'm letting it drop because it's sufficiently obvious what's going on here.

    You can pretend you don't see the obvious consequences of his actions if you prefer it that way. For my part, I'm happy to wait and see how it actually turns out.
     
  17. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    It is actually not difficult to explain/understand

    What do rich people do when they want "acceptance" in an area they have no competence in? They throw money at it so no one will question their competence

    Jerry overpays and wants to be everyone's favorite uncle because everyone knows he is a football idiot and has no business making football decisions but he does not want ex cowboy players saying this

    No players say that Jerry is a great football mind or knows how to build a team, they say that he is great to play for

    That is why it is a very bad idea for the owner to be the GM
     
  18. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    I guess insults in pictures slide by?

    Good to know.
     
  19. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough.

    If the facts of the situation ever do change, I encourage you to tell me so and I welcome any and all "I told you so's" I will have coming my way.

    ;)
     
  20. CCBoy

    CCBoy Well-Known Member

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    That's not an insult, the high light was a pacifier...kind of like a wins only view. (humor, can be known as well, but attitude brought a potential conversation to this point)

    But just this position has been taken for a while now...so, once it is definitive, say in a year or two...let's just disagree and then declare a verdict, then as to merit.

    As to manner presented, it also didn't imply an endless run upon the reference....you implied in actual words.
    (coughing)
     

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