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Cowboys Break 2/10

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by LatinMind, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Win that case. It would be next to impossible IMO. I get what you are saying and I actually agree in large part but you just can't force these guys to do anything IMO. Too much is subjective and if you make them accept it, then you compromise the teams ability to decide on talent etc. It's a can of worms that nobody wants to kick over IMO.

    Some day, but I don't think that day is today.
  2. Denim Chicken

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    So if the safeties in the draft aren't better then Wilcox, and UDFA Heath was played over Wilcox, does that mean that Heath is just as good as the safeties in the draft?
  3. TrailBlazer

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    Of course Pryor or haha Clinton Dix won't be much better than Wilcox or Heath their rookie seasons. But there ceilings are much higher. Pryor and dix are the top safeties and first round talents. We shouldn't pass up on that just bc we have Wilcox. JJ is an in thw box SS type. We need that center fielder FS ball hawking type that we've been missing for years. Oh well, plug one hole at a time. Start with dline.
  4. TheCount

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    His name has been mentioned but you're right that he wasn't on the "hot list". Mostly because he's a mid round guy, as people don't really know much about those guys till closer to the draft. At least after the combine, people can sort lists by 40 time, bench press, etc. and find some pet cats.
  5. TheCount

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    I'm not really sure what the can of worms is that you're referring to, honestly, so I don't want to go on some rant without being clear.
  6. ABQCOWBOY

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    Dictating to teams who should and should not make teams.

    This is the problem and this is why you really can't effect this issue in the NFL. Any team or coaching staff has great latitude in which players make teams and which players get cut. There are no criteria that governs this. This goes back to the "Win that case" comment.

    You really can't force NFL teams to accept anything. They have to come around to it on their own. I think that eventually, that will happen, but I don't think it will happen in the near future. I think that's going to take a few more years yet.
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  7. TheCount

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    I guess I don't see where the dictatorship comes in, or how that could even work. An owner is going to draft Sam because he's capable of rushing the passer, not because Goodell called him and dictated he be drafted.
  8. ABQCOWBOY

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    Or they won't. If you look at his numbers, he may not be all that good of a pass rusher. I mean, yeah, he may be a guy who can help you but he may not be either. Coaches are going to evaluate him and if he is succesful, then it could be a good story for a team who takes him but he could also not make the team and get cut. What would the press say then?

    There are a lot of potential issues that could play into this. Bottom line, each team will have to evaluate the situation and make decision based on those evaluations but really, what I was commenting on was this:

    "I'm fully supportive of that. NFL players are employees, and based on workplace law (Including the NFL's own rules on such things), you can't discriminate based on any number of things, including sexual preference."

    Technically, this might be true but in reality, it doesn't work like that in the NFL. Because they have such latitude on who makes the team and who does not, it would almost take some sort of decision on behalf of the NFL to create some sort of criteria for cutting players, in order for that statement to have any real teeth IMO. That's not going to happen IMO because it interferes too much with a teams ability to build a team and that won't fly. that's the can of worms I was referring to. If you don't have that kind of language in play, it's hard to prove why any player is or is not cut. That's the case that you can't really win IMO.
  9. TheCount

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    Why would this be the moment Goodell decides to start telling teams who they must draft and who they can't cut? When has he ever done that and why would this be the exception?

    You also took a nice dig at the SEC defensive player of the year and his 10.5 sacks, so that's interesting. He's already rated as a mid round pick, are you suggestion that based on his play alone, he should be even lower?
  10. LatinMind

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    That word "ceiling" has created some of the bigfest busts in nfl history. Dix and Pryor arent ballhawks either. 2 ints each? Thats a bawlhawk?
  11. TrailBlazer

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    Pryor would fit the role better than anyone we have on our roster now. We need a centerfielder that can cover sideline to sideline. Wilcox and church are better against the run than in coverage. Vaccaro played very well this year as a rookie. I know Dallas will most likely go dline in the first. But dismissing the top 2 safeties in this class bc we have JJ Wilcox and Jeff Heath is not sound logic. It's still a need, albeit not Dallas' biggest need.
  12. LatinMind

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    How do you know what Wilcox is? Cowboys dont even know what they have in Wilcox. Dix and Pryor are not Vaccarro. I still think Dallas if they want to go safety get a vet. Manning would be a perfect fit. Played in this def for marinelli, would be a cheap vet and be the stop gap to wilcox.
  13. Redball Express

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    the ones ESPN is sourciing on their newscast.
  14. TheCount

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    Those weren't referenced by Dash.

    He said:

    to which you replied:

    As I've already pointed out, they didn't say anything about Cowboys management making a statement about Sam, which is what the OP alluded to. My point was that no Cowboy GM has said Sam doesn't fit what they want to do, so it can't be a red flag statement.

    If you were referring to ESPN - none of that was part of the context of the conversation on The Break or by Dash, hence the confusion. You replied to Dash but were referencing something completely different that had no context to the Cowboys.
  15. Redball Express

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    Sorry..

    I've got a new tablet and its being querky.

    I see what you said..

    Yes I was referring to what was being said elsewhere from other anonomous sources.
  16. Denim Chicken

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    Free agent safeties this year. Anyone see an attainable FS who might be a good fit?

    1. Jairus Byrd
    2. T.J. Ward
    3. Donte Whitner
    4. Antoine Bethea
    5. Chris Clemons
    6. Malcolm Jenkins
    7. Stevie Brown
    8. Major Wright
    9. Nate Allen
    10. Michael Mitchell
    11. Charles Woodson
    12. Nick Collins
    13. Ryan Clark
    14. James Ihedigbo
    15. Bernard Pollard
    16. Usama Young
    17. Kendrick Lewis
    18. Mike Adams
    19. Chris Crocker
    20. Yeremiah Bell
    21. Quintin Mikell
    22. Michael Huff
    23. Brandon Meriweather
    24. Ryan Mundy
    25. Taylor Mays
    26. Ed Reed
    27. Jim Leonhard
    28. Husain Abdullah
    29. Darrell Stuckey
    30. Sergio Brown
    31. Colt Anderson
    32. Darian Stewart
    33. Craig Steltz
    34. Chris Maragos
    35. Will Allen :)
    36. Quintin Demps
    37. Matt Giordano
    38. Reed Doughty
    39. Danny McCray
    40. Kurt Coleman
  17. TheCount

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    I wasn't trying to corner you into an apology. I just wanted to clarify what was stated on The Break because some took the original post to mean the Cowboys had made a determination to skip on a potential pass rusher when we're already hurting there.
  18. jterrell

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    No whats going to happen is some teams are going to pass him because they are stupid and bigoted.

    Then some other team is going to get a great draft value for a SEC Co-Player of the year.

    His teammates at Missou... they voted him the player of the year.
    I'd probably make a lot of non-PC jabs at him too same as I do all my friends.
    That's simply how guys are.

    If Dallas drafted Sam in round 5 I'd be overjoyed. He is a great value there as a part-time DL who can apply crazy pressure and has a non-stop motor.
  19. jterrell

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    Sam's timing was about as unselfish as it could possibly be.
    He could have waited til after the draft where he minimized any effect.
    He could have done it last year in the middle of a great season and been the story instead of Missou's resurgence.
    He did it now while he is representing only his self.

    Kudos to the kid.
  20. LatinMind

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    Like Damontre Moore? and his 11 tackles

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