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Cowboys still have hopes disappointing Claborne can be a top cornerback but time is running out

Discussion in 'News Zone' started by RS12, May 17, 2014.

  1. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    Some good players indeed, but it is a misconception that janoris Jenkins has been very good, or really any better than Claiborne for that matter.
  2. Section444

    Section444 Well-Known Member

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    Jenkins had a rough year last year, but he was awesome his rookie year. He'll get it going again. He has shown far more than Claiborne has, and the Rams didn't pay anywhere close to as much.
  3. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    If you know anything about football, you knew that trade had no chance of succeeding.
  4. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Staff Member

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    People tend to get real vague or say nothing if they don't want to lie. What is it with some of you that you discount everything when its not for you point of view and hinge on every word when it does?

    The guy has been a major disappointment. Saying they are still hoping it becomes a good DB is not something no one has been avoiding saying. Every fan should hope he plays better. We need him.
  5. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    Jenkins had a pretty rough year last year and that was with one of the better pass rushing teams in the league.

    His first year he made some big splash plays but wasn't a very consistent player, got burned a lot.

    Claiborne made few splash plays but rarely got burned his rookie season.

    I think it's just preference on who had the better rookie season. At this point I don't think you can definitively say one is better than another.
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    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Actually, that's a Coach Landry thing that both Jimmy and Bill learned. Still amazed at how smart Coach Landry really was.

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I think he's in the wrong scheme Jobs. He would be much better playing for a Man Press team but I agree. Here is to hoping that he adapts and overcomes.
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  8. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Staff Member

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    I agree. I hope he can learn to play some zone but I think we need to used some mixed schemes.
  9. CowboysYanksLakers

    CowboysYanksLakers Well-Known Member

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    I was too young to remember Coach Landy's quotes/coach philosophies, I'll just take you for your word LOL
  10. Fletch

    Fletch To The Moon

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    Huge busts are Todd Marinovich. Tony Mandarich (sp?) Ryan Leaf. Tim Couch. David Carr. Those are huge busts. Claiborne still has a shot. Let the season play out.
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  11. Idgit

    Idgit That sounds really boring Staff Member

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    I really think the plan is to play a lot more man than people might be expecting in this defense. We went over this in the thread last week where Sabin (?) said the team was myopic in switching defensive schemes last year, but Marinelli reiterated-again- yesterday that he likes his current group of CBs in man (obviously, we'll mix coverages, but it's pretty clear to me, at least, how the DC looks at the position group).


    Also some good stuff in there about the WIL/3 tech combo in this defense.
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  12. Idgit

    Idgit That sounds really boring Staff Member

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    Yep. People are weighting his year last year too heavily. Huge disappointment, I agree with. Huge bust, I think, is an overreaction at this point.
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  13. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Marinelli using more man coverage should help both Carr and Claiborne.
    Sure would be nice to get big contributions by two of the players that we pay (via wage or draft picks) the most.
    Could be huge.
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  14. adbutcher

    adbutcher K9NME

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    I am glad that I am not the only one that saw that.

    Mo is a talent, I was very surprised when I found out we drafted him. He will prove a lot of the naysayers wrong this year.
  15. RoyTheHammer

    RoyTheHammer Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like alot of "hoping" to me.. i agree with the poster who said they don't seem very confidant in him anymore.
  16. Eddie

    Eddie Well-Known Member

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    Two for one sales always fail.
  17. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I still believe in Claiborne I would also say he has not lived up to the expectation but does not mean he is incapable of turning things around. I think the guy has the skills to be a very good CB in this league he has find a way to avoid injuries and play with confidence in his ability. Dallas was not the only team who saw the talent in Claiborne. I'm not going to make excuses for him, it is his job to go out and perform at a high level and any heat he is catching is justified but I do believe in this guy.
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  18. EGG

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    For me, it's hard to say anything definitively about an individual player playing on an historically bad defense. Throw in some injuries and counterproductive defensive scheme changes and you've got some pretty solid reasons for failure. The fact that he's rarely flashed any greatness is troubling though.
  19. jday

    jday Well-Known Member

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    The probelm is I would say Carr is on a similiar leash. Carr may have been better than Claiborne, but clearly he has not been worth his contract.

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