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Cowboys sure look like they are laying groundwork for Gruden hire

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by USMarineVet, Jan 25, 2013.

  1. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    His resume is infinitely better than Jason Garrett's, so I don't think you want to go barking up that tree.
  2. RW Hitman

    RW Hitman Well-Known Member

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    really?? you think Gruden is not mentally fit enough to work with someone he personally does not care for, if that is even true?

    that is weak
  3. 1fisher

    1fisher Active Member

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    and spits when he talks.... don't forget that important little fact!
  4. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    I don't think there is any real evidence that he coddles people. In fact, since he got here, we have a great deal more consistent effort and a good bit of housecleaning
  5. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    He certainly does have a better resume. Of course, he has had longer to build it.

    BTW -- Gruden's first two seasons as a HC. 8-8, 8-8. Of course, he had guys like Wade Wilson starting for him. Oh snap!!! Another sign!
  6. wileedog

    wileedog Well-Known Member

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    And one of these

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  7. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    He certainly does have one.

    Just like Barry Switzer.

    Why did he get one? Because he didn't get axed after a couple of .500 seasons.
  8. wileedog

    wileedog Well-Known Member

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    C'mon, really? The Switzer argument?

    Gruden has never had a decent QB in his career, yet has gone to Championship games and won a SB. Garrett has never not had a bona fide QB in his career and can't get to the playoffs in a crappy division.

    The two aren't even comparable right now. Maybe Garrett gets there some day, but you have a closing window on this team with Romo and Ware. This is not the place or the team for learn on the job.
  9. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Gruden is 3 years older than Garrett. And already has more coaching experience than Garrett may likely have over his entire coaching career.
  10. heavyg

    heavyg Active Member

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    Ive said this from the day Garrett was hired as HC
  11. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Sure - but I don't think you can discount that Garrett was playing in the NFL for many of those years.
  12. Plankton

    Plankton Well-Known Member

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    I believe that Joe Marciano was the ST coach in Tampa when Garrett was there.
  13. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    When he won the SB, he had the #1 defense in the league. Offense was middle of the pack. Does that make him an offensive genius?
  14. 17yearsandcounting

    17yearsandcounting Benched

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    Playing?
  15. LittleD

    LittleD Member

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    This looks more like a Lovie Smith move for next year or sooner if RHG bombs early....
  16. DenCWBY

    DenCWBY Active Member

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    IMO the "big" changes are already made and JG's here for the rest of next season. If we start out 2-6 (looking awful), JG will be fired at the break and Callahan will resume coaching duties the rest of the year, then we'll go after a big name HC like Grud.
    If next year goes like this one,(competitive but no playoffs), JG's gone. If we barely make the playoffs and lose bad, JG's gone. If we make the playoffs and compete well or win first playoff game then JG will be back.
    Either way it's a good strategy for JJ. It keeps the pressure/camera on JG throughout the year as a "walkaround coach/motivator" who has to deliver this year or else. A lot of people and press do not see JG as this kind of coach so all eyes/cameras will be watching him. If JG is not successful (given all the rope JJ has supposably provided) from the past 3-6 years, JJ has full fan support into firing JG.
    JJ will look like hero if JG is successful (and should) however he will also look like a hero if not succesful, by bringing in a new big name coach.
    Either way for the next 2 years, fans are still engaged and buying into the circus.
  17. kirkjrk

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    That's my thought as well. Would prefer Lovie over Gruden. Would have to see what Marinelli has to say about Lovie.
  18. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Of course you can, and you should discount it.
  19. wileedog

    wileedog Well-Known Member

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    It makes him a HC who won the Superbowl with Brad Johnson at QB.
  20. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    Anyone can feel however they like but there are facts that require zero feelings involved.

    This staff has ties to Gruden that go far beyond typical 5 degrees of NFL separation stuff.

    We all know Holmgren is a major player in Jerry's ear. And Gruden was a Holmgren disciple.

    Gruden has won the division 5 times in 11 years as a head coach. And he has never been considered to have great talent on those teams. He has a .550 win clip in the NFL playoffs. With of course one Lombardi to his credit.

    Kiffin and Callahan actually have VERY high opinions of Gruden as they have shared with the media.

    Gruden is a volunteer coach at his sons High School. His son graduates this year.

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