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Cowboys week this week made me happy and sad smh

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by rockj7, Apr 4, 2014.

  1. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    Oh I think there is a question, he never did it any where else. They were great in Dallas.
  2. German Corner

    German Corner Member

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    187...you're the first poster I've ever seen make that point! the forty niners had atlanta, st. louis and new orleans every year to get their playoff games in the candle stick mud pit! plus in their 80's teams DID NOT have to deal with free agency. in the nfc east we have to play super bowl winners. espn and nfl network NEVER bring these hard, cold facts to our attention...
  3. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    For me, the quotes by Irvin about Aikman should be written in stone for some of the people on this board.

    "I ran a route and couldn't see the ball so I put my hands up. It landed in them. I think I could run ten routes blindfolded and just stick my hands out and Troy would hit them eight out of ten."

    One of the top three most accurate passers of all time.
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  4. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    Most figure all things are equal. Like this is a zero sum game.

    But Jimmy did not have a young gun QB, or multiple draft picks.

    He had a team that had aging stars and made an attempt to build them through the draft. But could not.

    Jimmy took crap, broke it down to even crappier, then built a winner. There are even videos of Emmitt being drafted and ESPN talking about Jimmy possibly being the executive of the year with the moves he had made.

    Jimmy built it. It was srong enough to win for a couple of years despite Jones and Switzer. Trying to suggest Miami was the same thing and he failed ignores it was not the same at all.
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  5. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, Jerry's team building skills have been amazing since Johnson left. If Jimmy would have coached for as long as Jerry has pretended to be a GM, there is no doubt in my mind that it would be easy to see who had the knowledge that created some of the greatest teams in the history of the league. The only contribution that Jerry made was signing the checks. I can't understand why fans want to give credit to Jerry when he has made a circus out if the Cowboys without Johnson's knowledge and team building ability.
  6. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    One of the things I judge greatness by is longevity and Johnson wasn't that. Ya know, I am not claiming Jone's greatness but I am
    questioning Johnson's legacy without Jones. Jones hasn't done anything without Johnson. Both of them fall into a honey pot
    trade and did damn good with their luck and skill. I never saw Johnson call spectacular plays.
    His team just went out there and did what they wanted to do by their talent and mind set
    .It was a hell of a team. Wasn't it Barry Switser that followed JJohnson's exit and won
    a Super Bowl ?
  7. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    Johnson quit
  8. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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  9. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    Johnson was great before he came to Dallas. His coaching ability had him a national championship without Jerry.
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  10. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    And the simple fact is, Jimmy Johnson was probably going to be a head coach in the NFL. He was not some unknown that Jones hired. He had one of the most successful college programs around and was even being courted by Schramm even before Jones bought the club.
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  11. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    Johnson was a damn good coach and diffidently was headed to the NFL. Jones had the smarts to hire him.
  12. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    He sure did. Right after Jones got his nose out of joint because he wasn't being heralded as the architect.

    He bought the team, hired Johnson. Great move.

    He went against the set up, since Johnson had it in his contract to be the man in charge, and acquired Haley. Great move.

    But there was an article back in the day about Johnson discussing how difficult it is to sit across from a player and agent and discuss money, which requires pointing out the shortcomings to get the best deal. Then after he signs, build him up and contradict what he said in that meeting on the practice field and in game film study.

    So many want to blame Johnson for Jones' ego. So many want to suggest Miami and Dallas were the same, without Jones Jimmy failed.

    Where was Jones at The U when Jimmy built a National Champion?

    Jimmy took a team with one star, traded that star for a number of scrubs and a bunch of picks. He used those picks to position himself to take players he either scouted, or game planned against and created a dynasty.

    The Dolphins offered none of the build from scratch components.
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  13. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    I' am not painting Jones more then he is. The popular phrase going around here is the "cult of"
    and I think that fits here . Johnson didn't do it without Jones. In the NFL.
    That's all folks.

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