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Cowboyz Zone II league is a joke of a league...

Discussion in 'Fantasy Sports Zone' started by jcollins28, Aug 10, 2005.

  1. jcollins28

    jcollins28 Active Member

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    Not sure which one of these clowns is the league director at Cowboyszone II league but one of them is. There is some downright colusion going on here before the season ever starts. Here is what just went down...

    dargonking999 and jkSmith269 proposed a trade. The trade was for the following players

    DDargonking999 would send P.Manning and B Lloyd to jksmith269 for M.Vick and A.Boldin. The trade was subject for review and to be voted to be approved by the other team owners. The trade was voted down by the other league owners so dargonking or jksmith changed the trade process to NO PROTEST and then they redid this lopsided trade.

    Now dargonking999 drafted P.Manning in the 1st rnd with the #1 pick in the draft. M.Vick was drafted in rnd 8 #75th pick by jksmith269. Who in their right mind trades the #1 overall pick for the 8th pick in the draft? dargonking is either very dumb or he also owns the jksmith team. Last year in my Cowboyszone league one owner ruined it for everyone when he got pissed that Ricky retired so he cut all his players now this year this happens. Looks like this will be the last Cowboyszone FF league I take part in.
  2. dargonking999

    dargonking999 DKRandom

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    For the simple reason that i wanted Vick and didnt want Manning, i didnt ask for the first pick in the draft, and would have taken manning in the 8 round had JK not taken him the spot ahead of me, so before you start going and accusing people of things check yourself
  3. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    I'm not even in this league and I have no idea who is even on each of these teams... I do know that dargonking and jksmith are two different people, though, and I sincerely doubt they are colluding.

    That said, this a very unbalanced trade. The difference between Boldin and Lloyd is negligible at this point. Meanwhile, there is a chasm between Manning and Vick.

    Trying to play King Solomon here, maybe the trade would be a little more palatable to everyone if jk gave up someone of a little more value than Boldin. Is there a better receiver he could throw in to sweeten the deal? A legitimate #1 guy?

    Not necessarily a Moss or Harrison, but maybe a Javon Walker or Andre Johnson or Hines Ward level reciever?

    Just my 2 cents.
  4. dargonking999

    dargonking999 DKRandom

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    I problay could have gotten a better reciver but i wanted Vick on my team and i had good depth on my team except at the WR postion, the trade may have been lopsided but i got the players i wanted and have JK not taken him that spot ahead of me i would have gotten him myself, and this thread wouldnt be here. :banghead: (if only my comp didnt freeze i would have goten him in the 7th round)
  5. jcollins28

    jcollins28 Active Member

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    Give me a break! You had 7 rounds to take Vick. If you missed out on him then oh well you missed out. The simple fact of the matter is that the trade was vetoed by the other league owners. Since you are the league admin though you decided to be selfish and override everyones desicion on this matter to satisfy yourself. Play by the rules what happens later on this season when someone else makes a bad trade and it gets voted down. Are you going to break the rules for them like you did yourself?
  6. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    Can you post the two rosters in question to satisfy my curiosity?
  7. jcollins28

    jcollins28 Active Member

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    Sure here is jfsmith

    QB
    P. Manning
    (Ind - QB)

    WR
    M. Harrison
    (Ind - WR)

    WR
    L. Evans
    (Buf - WR)

    RB
    K. Jones
    (Det - RB)

    RB
    C. Williams

    TE
    T. Heap
    (Bal - TE)

    W/R
    L. Fitzgerald
    (Ari - WR)

    S. McNair
    (Ten - QB)

    BN
    D. Givens
    (NE - WR)

    BN
    C. Buckhalter
    (Phi - RB)

    BN
    K. Colbert
    (Car - WR)

    B. Troupe
    (Ten - TE)

    L. Gordon
    (Mia - RB)

    BN
    B. Lloyd
    (SF - WR)

    K
    R. Longwell
    (GB - K)

    M. Nugent
    (NYJ - K)

    DEF
    Baltimore
    (Bal - DEF)

    Dallas


    dargon's team

    QB
    M. Vick
    (Atl - QB)

    M. Muhammad
    (Chi - WR)

    A. Boldin
    (Ari - WR)

    C. Martin

    RB
    R. Johnson
    (Cin - RB)

    TE
    A. Crumpler
    (Atl - TE)

    W/R
    E. Kennison
    (KC - WR)

    T. Glenn
    (Dal - WR)

    B. Leftwich
    (Jac - QB)

    M. Bennett
    (Min - RB)

    W. Dunn
    (Atl - RB)

    H. Miller
    (Pit - TE)

    BN
    M. Jenkins
    (Atl - WR)

    B. Cundiff
    (Dal - K)

    T. Peterson
    (Atl - K)

    Pittsburgh
    (Pit - DEF)

    Atlanta
    (Atl - DEF)

    Houston
  8. dargonking999

    dargonking999 DKRandom

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    actaully my comp froze on me during the 5-7th round so i missed him.

    and second had it not been for me ccidently vetoing my own trade i wouldnt not have done that i didnt know more than one manger had vetoed my trade looking at the league nobody but you is saying anything.
  9. dargonking999

    dargonking999 DKRandom

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    danny
    this is my roser

    Pos Offense Edit Opp Status Yds TD Int Yds TD Rec Yds TD TD 2PT Lost Fan Pts
    QB M. Vick
    (Atl - QB) QBBN Phi Mon
    8:00 pm 2313 14 12 902 3 0 0 0 0 0 7 260.85
    WR M. Muhammad
    (Chi - WR) WRW/RBN @Was Sun
    12:00 pm 0 0 0 15 0 93 1405 16 0 0 1 330.00
    WR A. Boldin
    (Ari - WR) WRW/RBN @NYG Sun
    3:15 pm 0 0 0 3 0 56 623 1 0 0 1 123.60
    RB C. Martin
    (NYJ - RB) RBW/RBN @KC Sun
    12:00 pm 0 0 0 1697 12 41 245 2 0 0 0 319.20
    RB R. Johnson
    (Cin - RB) RBW/RBN @Cle Sun
    12:00 pm 0 0 0 1454 12 15 84 0 0 0 4 236.80
    TE A. Crumpler
    (Atl - TE) TEBN Phi Mon
    8:00 pm 0 0 0 0 0 48 774 6 0 0 1 160.40
    W/R E. Kennison
    (KC - WR) WRW/RBN NYJ Sun
    12:00 pm 0 0 0 15 0 62 1086 8 0 1 1 221.10
    BN T. Glenn
    (Dal - WR) WRW/RBN @SD Sun
    3:15 pm 0 0 0 -3 0 24 400 2 0 0 0 75.70
    BN B. Leftwich
    (Jac - QB) QBBN Sea Sun
    12:00 pm 2941 15 10 148 2 1 -7 0 0 4 1 231.15
    BN M. Bennett
    (Min - RB) RBW/RBN TB Sun
    12:00 pm 0 0 0 276 1 21 207 1 0 0 0 81.30
    BN W. Dunn
    (Atl - RB) RBW/RBN Phi Mon
    8:00 pm 0 0 0 1106 9 29 294 0 0 0 2 221.00
    BN H. Miller
    (Pit - TE) TEBN Ten Sun
    12:00 pm - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00
    BN M. Jenkins
    (Atl - WR) WRW/RBN Phi Mon
    8:00 pm 0 0 0 2 0 7 119 0 0 0 0 19.10
    Field Goals Made PAT
    Pos Kickers Edit Opp Status 0-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ Made Fan Pts
    K B. Cundiff
    (Dal - K) KBN @SD Sun
    3:15 pm 1 6 4 9 0 31 100.00
    BN T. Peterson
    (Atl - K) KBN Phi Mon
    8:00 pm 1 3 7 5 2 23 86.00
    Tackles Turnovers TD Misc Ret
    Pos Team Defense Edit Opp Status Pts
    Allow Sack Safe Int Fum
    Rec TD Blk
    Kick TD Fan Pts
    DEF Pittsburgh
    (Pit - DEF) DEFBN Ten Sun
    12:00 pm 233 41 1 19 13 5 0 0 162.00
    BN Atlanta
    (Atl - DEF) DEFBN Phi Mon
    8:00 pm 329 48 0 19 13 5 2 1 166.00
    BN Houston
    (Hou - DEF) DEFBN @Buf Sun
    12:00 pm 325 24 0 22 8 5 1 0 131.00


    this is JK roster

    Passing Rushing Receiving Ret Misc Fum
    Pos Offense Action Opp Status Yds TD Int Yds TD Rec Yds TD TD 2PT Lost Fan Pts
    QB P. Manning
    (Ind - QB) @Bal Sun
    7:30 pm 4557 49 10 38 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 416.65
    WR M. Harrison
    (Ind - WR) @Bal Sun
    7:30 pm 0 0 0 0 0 86 1113 15 0 0 1 286.30
    WR L. Evans
    (Buf - WR) Hou Sun
    12:00 pm 0 0 0 85 0 48 843 9 0 0 1 193.80
    RB K. Jones
    (Det - RB) GB Sun
    3:15 pm 0 0 0 1133 5 28 180 1 0 0 1 194.30
    RB C. Williams
    (TB - RB) @Min Sun
    12:00 pm - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00
    TE T. Heap
    (Bal - TE) Ind Sun
    7:30 pm 0 0 0 0 0 27 303 3 0 0 0 75.30
    W/R L. Fitzgerald
    (Ari - WR) @NYG Sun
    3:15 pm 0 0 0 14 0 58 780 8 0 0 0 185.40
    BN S. McNair
    (Ten - QB) @Pit Sun
    12:00 pm 1343 8 9 128 1 0 0 0 0 1 3 107.95
    BN D. Givens
    (NE - WR) Oak Thu
    8:00 pm 0 0 0 0 0 56 874 3 0 0 0 161.40
    BN C. Buckhalter
    (Phi - RB) @Atl Mon
    8:00 pm - - - - - - - - - - - 0.00
    BN K. Colbert
    (Car - WR) NO Sun
    12:00 pm 0 0 0 0 0 47 754 5 0 1 1 153.40
    BN B. Troupe
    (Ten - TE) @Pit Sun
    12:00 pm 0 0 0 0 0 33 329 1 0 0 0 71.90
    BN L. Gordon
    (Mia - RB) Den Sun
    12:00 pm 0 0 0 64 0 13 74 0 0 0 0 26.80
    BN B. Lloyd
    (SF - WR) StL Sun
    3:15 pm 0 0 0 0 0 43 565 6 0 1 0 137.50
    Field Goals Made PAT
    Pos Kickers Action Opp Status 0-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ Made Fan Pts
    K R. Longwell
    (GB - K) @Det Sun
    3:15 pm 0 8 8 6 2 48 130.00
    BN M. Nugent
    (NYJ - K) @KC Sun
    12:00 pm - - - - - - 0.00
    Tackles Turnovers TD Misc Ret
    Pos Team Defense Action Opp Status Pts
    Allow Sack Safe Int Fum
    Rec TD Blk
    Kick TD Fan Pts
    DEF Baltimore
    (Bal - DEF) Ind Sun
    7:30 pm 254 39 0 21 13 7 0 2 182.00
    BN Dallas
    (Dal - DEF) @SD Sun
    3:15 pm 381 33 1 13 9 0 1 0 95.00
  10. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    No offense, but neither of these teams looks all that fearsome, even after the trade.

    Usually when you see a trade like this, the worry is that you've effectively given one team the equivalent of two first round picks. In JKs case, though, I don't see any first round players on his roster (other than Manning now). I assume he picked at the end of the first round and got Harrison, and then Jones on the turn-around.

    Unfortunately for JK, Boldin was his second best WR.

    Outside of Harrison and Kevin Jones, he really didn't have that much to offer in return for Manning.

    Normally, dargon should get some better value for the #1 overall pick, but if he had his heart set on Vick, then there wasn't that much more that JK could offer.

    Honestly, jcollins, you should be thrilled that dargon made this trade. With Manning, he had a stacked team... a little weak at WR, but very deep otherwise. Now he looks beatable unless Vick has a breakout year. Meanwhile JK looks decent, but certainly not loaded.

    It's one of those cases where it was an unbalanced trade, but the end result isn't earth-shattering. If anything, it brought the two teams in question close to each other in quality, instead of creating one superteam at the other's expense.
  11. dargonking999

    dargonking999 DKRandom

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    And this why i'm wondering why he's crying about it, JK really doesnt have anything outside of Manning harrison and Jones, and my success is falling on Vick succeding, it may have been unbalnced but i got the player i wanted and it really didnt do much to either team
  12. jcollins28

    jcollins28 Active Member

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    Not crying about anything. I'm only expecting YOU since your are the league admin to live up to the rules. Like I said what happens later on this year when someone else makes a bad trade and it gets voted down? Are you going to step in and bend the rules for them as well? I agree that the two teams are pretty weak for the most part but if the league as a whole voted down this trade then the trade should stand as being voted down and not have that decision over ruled by the admin because he is a Vick fan boy.
  13. dargonking999

    dargonking999 DKRandom

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    Well since your not the league as a whole you cant speak for them, and as i said on there i chagned the league to no protest before the trade was vetoed by you. like i said yuor the only person who seems to have a problem no other person has come to me about this nor asked any questions so i think your the only one with a problem. And since your not the league whole you need to quit fighting this losing battle

    i didnt bend the rules i didnt break them, i changed them right after i made the traded and then because i thought i was the ONLY one who vetoed the trade(by accident) i re made the trade had i knew somebody else vetoed i would have did something differnt,
  14. jcollins28

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    I dont have to speak for the league. They spoke for themselves by voting down this trade. Also why does anyone have to come out to explain their vote to you? That is crazy never in any league has any members ever had to reveal their vote on a trade. You changed the trade process to No Protest after this trade was voted down. Also it takes a majority vote not just one to veto a trade. So more then 1 person voted down this trade and no one has to explain to you how or why they voted the way they did. So yes you did change the rules to suit you. This "battle" is about a selfish jerk who cant seem to play by the rules. I look forward to beating you like like Ike beat Tina this season.
  15. Hoov

    Hoov Senior Member

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    Wow, you guys must be playing for a lot of money.
  16. dargonking999

    dargonking999 DKRandom

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    No actually i changed the rules before the trade was vetoed, i know when i did what and second like i said nobdy has to do anything but again since your the only one saying anything i'm really starting to think that the league really didnt vote on this, and second if you look so foward to beating me then why are you still writing paraghs about a trade that as you say didnt do anything to either team? How about you just drop the suubject cause your really getting no where with this your calling me a selfish jerk, and for what reason, because i changed the rules before my trade was vetoed? It's time ot move and let the season begin, because i bet if Vick falls through this season, you wont have any problem with the trade.
  17. dargonking999

    dargonking999 DKRandom

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    no he's just mad because 'im selfiush jerk Vick fan boy, who nbeds the rules to fix me even though i could have made it a commisoner vote only and then could do what i wanted. :rolleyes:
  18. jcollins28

    jcollins28 Active Member

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    No I will admit the whole thing is quite silly but it is the principal that just bugs me. He did not get his way so he will be selfish enough to say screw you to the rules that were set fourth and agreed upon to get his way. Sorry but it is just wrong simple as that. A league is only good as it's admin and we do not have a good one.
  19. jcollins28

    jcollins28 Active Member

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    Now you are just out right lying. On the league transaction report it gives what time the rules change came in and what time the trade was voted down. The trade was voted down and then you changed the rules and sent in the trade again. The trade was voted down at 5:12 you then changed it to No Protest at 5:30. And again it takes a MAJORITY vote to veto a trade not just one vote.

    Oh have you seen the league message board? Football Gladiators also vetod the trade and like him we all agree that a 1 day trade veto should be the rule. I did not sign up for a no protest trade league. You need to set things right and reverse this trade and make the trade process a 1 day trade vote.
  20. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    Why don't you reverse the trade, resubmit it, and allow the league to vote on it and the majority rules?

    If you ask me DK999, you'd be lucky if they vetoed it. Your team with Manning on it is strong.

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