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Deadliest U.S. sniper murdered at a gun range in Erath County

Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by k19, Feb 2, 2013.

  1. k19

    k19 Active Member

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    http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/rough-creek-189536271.html

    http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2013/02/lancaster-police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-double-slaying-in-erath-county.html/

    Can't imagine surviving the things he did only to die at the hands of one of the many he dedicated his post military life to help.
    RIP Chris
    Thoughts and prayers to his family
  2. roughneck266

    roughneck266 Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely terrible news. This man was an American Hero. :( RIP.
  3. HeavyBarrel

    HeavyBarrel Well-Known Member

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    This is sickening, RIP Chris Kyle......
  4. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    :(

    RIP Chris.

    Another American Hero gone.
  5. a_minimalist

    a_minimalist Well-Known Member

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    Horrible. Absolutely horrible.

    RIP Chris Kyle
  6. dexternjack

    dexternjack World Traveler Zone Supporter

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    Wow, absolutely horrible. I just watched him on "Stars earn Stripes" reality show over the summer.

    To survive what he has gone through only to get killed by someone in the US military in a cowardly act. RIP Kyle
  7. CopenhagenCowboy

    CopenhagenCowboy Active Member

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    I feel immensely sad now.

    You're a hero, Kyle. RIP.
  8. jobberone

    jobberone Genetically engineered moderating Orangutan Staff Member

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    Condolences to friends and family.
  9. funkytown

    funkytown Well-Known Member

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    Horrible news, American Hero.


    No one going to bring up the potential conspiracy? Does this story really make sense?
  10. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    I think we should be hesitant here a little bit in terms of calling Routh a murderer and a coward. It's hard to really know what he was going through with PTSD.

    Although it doesn't make it any less tragic, he might not have been in control of his decision making while dealing with something like that.
  11. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    I don't want to turn this political but this is an area where our government in general is falling down terribly. These men and women need to get the help they need to overcome this. If they are having these kinds of issues, it is the responsibility of the government to see to it they are treated. I know at so many veterans hospitals the funding is either misspent or lacking in general.

    Our heroes deserve better than they get.
  12. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Here is a very sad fact. You can get people help but for a lot of cases it will not help..

    The stress of war and deployments work on a person's mental health and its not good.

    Facts are there are always going to be sad things like this as long as we have wars.
  13. dexternjack

    dexternjack World Traveler Zone Supporter

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    Routh is a murderer, that can't be disputed. If he did in fact have PTSD, there is no logical reason he should have be in a gun range in no way, shape or form.

    There has to be ways to help those sick individuals and a good place to start is not allowing them near any kind of firearms.
  14. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Can't agree with this. Shooting can be very therapeutic in cases such as this. As it turns out, it was disastrous here but it's not an uncommon practice in general.
  15. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    I agree. PTSD is a tricky condition.

    It's a shame the guy was trying to provide some support and help him out and it turned out this way.
  16. dexternjack

    dexternjack World Traveler Zone Supporter

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    And in turn, I can't agree with that. I come from a family of officers and detectives spread throughout from Knoxville to Houston to LA. What is the first thing that happens to a cop after a shooting--his gun is taken away and he/she is asked to stay away while investigations are being conducted.

    This is not to say the cops have other firearms in possession but protocol is for their best interest. That is standard procedure in most states but there are exceptions and going to the firing range is not therapeutic in those cases.

    I am pro-gun but there needs to be a better monitoring system in check for those who have no business being around them.

    By your logic, should a registered sex offender be allowed to teach children in our school system? It could be therapeutic and help recovery....NOT

    If someone suffers from a mental disorder-PTSD-do not put lethal weapons in their hands, period. I know, he was a marine and likes guns, so what, he is a mental case.

    I am not trying to be argumentative and you made a good point but my opinion will not change. Mentally handicapped + weapons = potential disaster.
  17. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Whole heartedly agree.

    I know someone who's job is to try and secure benefits for vets and some of the stuff I've heard is just heart breaking.

    The saddest part is, if we continue to short change our responsibility to provide support and medical help to these guys, the situation will just get worse. Doing ourselves harm by not accepting responsibility essentially.
  18. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    You are putting words in my mouth. First of all, there was no discussion on how long before a person should be allowed to shoot or any such qualification in your statement. You simply said that it should not be allowed. Well, I don't agree with that. Besides, it's any person's constitutional right. You can't just make a blanket statement that says it's not allowed. I mean, I suppose you can but it won't fly.
  19. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Your sex offender analogy is bush league and quite frankly out of line.

    Pedofiles are convicted felons, only an idiot would argue they be allowed around children.

    This man was guilty of nothing other than serving his country.

    PTSD varies from person to person. There's no way to determine who will be hit hardest and if you stigmatize the condition, you'll exacerbate the problem by forcing people into hiding when you start taking away the very rights that they put their life on the line to defend.

    It's a horrid situation but these people need support, not punishment or suspiscion of instability and removal of rights.
  20. dexternjack

    dexternjack World Traveler Zone Supporter

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    Sorry, I am assuming he was officially diagnosed with PTSD. If so, then he should not be allowed to have a gun and the military should have him in counseling with a watchful eye over him.

    Maybe Kyle was that watchful eye, I don't know but if he was, that environment was a poor choice.

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