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Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by Cajuncowboy, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. EveryoneElse

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    You can say that again.
  2. EveryoneElse

    EveryoneElse Active Member

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    How much do you pay in taxes?
  3. Hypnotoad

    Hypnotoad Active Member

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    Its a tax refund for those earning less than 220k.

    Calling it a redistribution of wealth is an exaggeration.
  4. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Pow! Pow!

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    I have no idea off the top of my head.

    Again though, I'm not sure what that has to do with the question I'm asking. We have years of proof that slightly higher taxes does not result in a welfare state or a socialist nation. That's just pure hyperbole.
  5. Sasquatch

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    Technically, wealth redistribution has been taking place in this country for some time, so by that definition we're already living in a socialist country.

    Where's my free health care, college education, and five weeks paid vacation? Oh, and where are the multiple political parties that most socialist countries seem to have?
  6. EveryoneElse

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    Don't thank me, you are self made as far as I'm concerned. You and your parents put the work in.

    My problem is, for every great American story like yours, there are thousands of sad stories about people like you mention, that basically plan to live off the government.
  7. Hypnotoad

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    Don't forget unions! Those are socialist too...
  8. DaBoys4Life

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    Hmmm sounds like it makes 6 figures where do I sign up?
  9. Doomsday

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    Government forced Healthcare etc. does though. Just cause it is happening gradually doesnt mean it isnt happening.
  10. EveryoneElse

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    My question os why should I have to pay more taxes? Because some democrat thinks he can make better use of it? It is stealing as far as I'm concerned. i don't care if my taxes go up .50 cents or $50,000.....it's theft.
  11. Heisenberg

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    Obama's plan doesn't force healthcare on anyone except parents have to insure their kids. And there will be breaks for those that can't afford that.

    There's no huge mandate like there would have been under Hillary's plan.
  12. DaBoys4Life

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    How many people do you think can afford Health Care for their kids?
  13. Hypnotoad

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    And that would be better because those who kids have undiagnosed problems and have to go to the ER cause they have asthma in the long run end up bringing everyone's premiums up.
  14. Heisenberg

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    How do you propose we pay for police, fire, schools, etc? There's a lot we take for granted in this country that is paid for with tax dollars.
  15. Doomsday

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    And who is paying for those tax breaks for those who cant afford it?

    And who is paying for the 50 percent credit that businesses will get by providing it?

    Robbing Peter to pay for Paul's socialistic programs. If that isnt the start of another socialistic program then what is?

    Also that is how they always get us, trap you in by setting a minimum requirement then once it is in place turn the screws and slowly bleed the rats you caught in your trap.
  16. EveryoneElse

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    There is a ton of wasted tax dollars that could be put to better use. It's time for the government to do their job and stop depending on me/us to pay for their mistakes everytime they make one.
  17. DaBoys4Life

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    So what would you suggest for fair taxes?
  18. Hypnotoad

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    Taxes are not theft. They go to government funded programs. Government needs some sort of revenue system. The Saudis don't have taxes, you know what else the Saudis don't have... clean water...a decent school system... But there sure are some rich people there....

    The people earning less than 220k will probably pay taxes too in an Obama administration. I doubt the tax cut plan will last all 4 years.
  19. EveryoneElse

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    Other countries pay 10-20% while we're paying close to 40% and Obama would love to get htat number somewhere around 45%.
  20. VietCowboy

    VietCowboy Be Realistic. Demand the Impossible.

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    hm, i thought european countries paid a lot more, like over half.

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