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Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by DBoys, Dec 31, 2006.

  1. DBoys

    DBoys New Member

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    I must admit I really liked what I saw with the 4-3 DL. Bowen, Hoyte, Hatcher, and you could really see how much those guys helped Ware get some sacks.

    Thing that puzzles me is why were we dropping our LB's so deep?

    Article that Adam posted where Lions commented on how they exploited us was very telling.

    Even though we lost I saw some positives from the 4-3.

    How do we fix this guys?
  2. Shotgun Dave

    Shotgun Dave Active Member

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    I agree about the LB's, and I do NOT understand our defensive strategy at ALL.
  3. DBoys

    DBoys New Member

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    Shouldn't we be in the nickel in that scenario?

    One thing I think is for sure our CB's need to be assigned a guy the whole game and play man coverage. Teams are confusing our Zones and making us look silly.

    Newman should of been on Williams the whole game.

    We are giving teams mismatches at the LOS.

    I mean Roy vs Glenn??? Then he scores and I see the same alignment 3 more times after the fact jeeeez
  4. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    It all starts at the top. Zimmer HAS to go. Sorry. There isn't a quick fix for Saturday.
  5. TurtleTurds

    TurtleTurds New Member

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    does our defense suck,cause ellis is not playing or no?:confused:
  6. DBoys

    DBoys New Member

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    :( :mad: :confused:
  7. Rockytop6

    Rockytop6 Well-Known Member

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    Amen, Amen and Amen. Ditto, Ditto and Ditto.
  8. DBoys

    DBoys New Member

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    He was critical for the 3-4 and we have missed him dearly. I thought we would be better but boy was I wrong.
  9. Shotgun Dave

    Shotgun Dave Active Member

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    No question but that we're not adjusting well during the game, but I don't know if we COULD go man with our corners. I'm afraid they're just too slow. We could pull off zone if our guys - including our LB's - were faster (or maybe "quicker" is the word) because we seem to lose WR's in the white spaces.
  10. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    The 4-3 is a joke. We basically gave up 36 points on defense, to the freaking Lions and Kitna threw at will against us with backup O-Linemen and a 3rd string RB. And in the second half, we hardly had any pressure on Kitna and if we got a sack it was mostly a cover sack.

    The thing is about the LB's is it's mostly Bradie James. Watch the game over again and most of the targets are Bradie's responsibility. And for every game they drop too far back in coverage, they wind up having a game where they don't drop far back enough.

    If I had it my way, we'd be able to have a defense that would run mostly 3-4, some 4-3, and then the rest in the nickel. With our defense, James is mostly responsible for the short passes and he's probably the worst MLB/ILB in the game at it. Getting that straightened out will help out a lot. But we've got do so many fundamental things better....like disguising blitzes, occasionally stunting, occasionally zone blitzing, etc. We could also use a solid cover FS to backup Watkins and then put in at SS in the nickel. That could move Roy to LB in the nickel and we'd be much faster and a better cover team in the nickel, plus Roy blitzes better than James.

    Essentially, while it's not all completely Zimmer's fault...he doesn't know how to coordinate a good pass rush and we are so simplistic to figure out on defense, we wind up making life too easy for opposing offenses.



    YAKUZA
  11. DBoys

    DBoys New Member

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  12. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    Against the worst O-line in the business. Kitna is the most sacked QB this year.
  13. DBoys

    DBoys New Member

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    True but compared to the 3-4 it was better. We didn't even come close in the 3-4.
  14. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Hoyte?

    Did I miss something?
  15. DBoys

    DBoys New Member

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    My bad Glymph
  16. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    I would bench James tomorrow if I ran the team.

    No Cowboy is playing worse right now.
  17. DBoys

    DBoys New Member

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    Who could we replace him with?
  18. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Bozo the Clown if I had to.
  19. bbgun

    bbgun Benched

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    Amen. When was the last fumble he forced? When is the last negative play behind the LOS? He just may be the worst ILB in the NFL.
  20. 4lifecowboy

    4lifecowboy Active Member

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    After watching the entire season, I'm convinced that Bill's size over speed therory is outdated. We aren't overpowering anyone, I thought this was suppose to be the style of the 3-4 defense. It's not working, we are getting exploited every week.

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