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Defensive line restructuring plan

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Galian Beast, Jan 7, 2014.

  1. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    Even more so in free agency. Every dollar should be spent on that defensive line in addition to every top draft pick (though one pick should be a o-lineman)

    Wilcox and Church should suffice at safety next year, carter, lee, and holloman should suffice at linebacker. 2015, we can make whatever moves that we need to make at those positions.
  2. Fredd

    Fredd Well-Known Member

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    we need two DL from the draft to "hit" like Fred "hit" this year on the OL...if we get that, coupled with some luck in NOT getting injured on the DL and potentially getting a reasonably priced FA or two and the line could get the major overhaul that it needs...on the surface, it looked like the OL got that overhaul last year, but in reality, all we did was add Fred...Leary was already on the team along with Free's resurgence and the Waters FA signing was a blessing (especially from the teaching aspect)

    ...on the DL, we draft one or two, we have Crawford/Bass coming back, we get a young FA-type and the DL could and should be much better....if we cut ties with Ware (I am on the fence with that), then we could see even more improvement although it would focus everything on getting someone to rush on the outside sooner rather than later
  3. silver

    silver Well-Known Member

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    You can't rely on injured players. This was this year's strategy. I wouldn't count on any of those guys you mentioned with the exception of Hayden, who could be a serviceable back up if anything. Can't count on Crawford and certainly not Bass after two seasons on IR. Definitely say no to Spencer who's knees are shot and Ware well let's just say he ain't what he used to be. Not only that but he's not suited for the 4-3. We need at least 4 new faces via draft and Free Agency, let them battle it out in training camp and let the best ones play.
  4. IrishAnto

    IrishAnto Well-Known Member

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    I think your right.

    The best outcome for the Boys would be for him to take a pay cut a la Doug Free.

    Even if he doesn't I'd be shocked if he wasn't wearing the Star on his helmet next year.
  5. morasp

    morasp Well-Known Member

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    Jerry listens to Rod so if he says Ware is done something may happen either a trade, pay cut, or cut. We have done that in the past with Greg Ellis and Emmitt.

    They should try to bring in mid level FA development players at DL, LB, and safety and let them compete kind of like they did this year. Our scouting department seems to be pretty good at finding them.

    They've already said they are going to focus on the front seven so if Rod stays I'm sure he'll be working closely with the scouts and thoroughly evaluating the DL draft prospects.
  6. JoeyBoy718

    JoeyBoy718 Well-Known Member

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    Do what the Panthers did and go back to back DT in the first two rounds. They got two 310+ lb guys who both rotate at NT. I like Louis Nix in round 1 and someone else in round 2 (maybe Aaron Donald). Selvie and Ware would look much better with two studs in the middle. Also, if Ware takes a pay cut, do what Seattle did and sign some DEs to cheap one year deals.
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  7. conner01

    conner01 Well-Known Member

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    you could sign two high dollar f.a. if you wanted to. the first couple years can be very cheap for them.
    i personally would rather sign one star defensive guy. at either de or dt. then fill the other two with the draft. ware has to either take about a 6 mil cut in base salary or i would move on
    melton is an ideal choice to me. rod knows him and knows if the charecter issues are a problem. but you can sign him short term for a prove it contract. it gives him tremendous incentive to play well. then you either extend him or move on and fill his spot in the next draft
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  8. conner01

    conner01 Well-Known Member

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    i would love nix and donald. but i don't think you can get either where we pick in each round. nix will go before we pick in one and donald will go early two if he does'nt find his way up to the first
  9. IrishAnto

    IrishAnto Well-Known Member

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    I could be wrong but I don’t think Nix is quick twitch enough to play the “three technique” to the required standard and I wouldn’t be too happy spending that high a pick on a “one technique”.

    I’ll say it now (and probably quite a number of times before the draft) we shouldn’t reach for DL in the draft even though it’s currently a shambles.

    Reaching gets us the likes of Shante Carver or Kavika Pittman
  10. dcstands4

    dcstands4 Active Member

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    We play for the how????
  11. JoeyBoy718

    JoeyBoy718 Well-Known Member

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    I don't really like the term reaching. We "reached" for Frederick last year and look how that turned out. I think last year was a great example. We went in wanting interior OL. We had a list of about 7-8 guys that we felt could help us immediately. After the run on OL, Frederick was the last guy on our list still available. Sure, we could have waited and risked losing him, but we wanted a sure thing and not a question mark in the 4th round. That's how I think this year should be. Have a list of DTs you feel could start Day 1. If we risk losing out on all of them, then reach if you have to.
  12. IrishAnto

    IrishAnto Well-Known Member

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    You say we reached for Frederick but when he declared for the draft (I think it was February) he was considered a possible first round pick.

    He had a bad combine and his stock dropped.

    Just shows how accurate the combine can be as an indicator of a player's ability to actually play on the field.

    However even if you consider he was a reach it turned out OK for us, however you wouldn’t want to try to make a living out of it.

    Just take a look at many Dallas drafts in the last 20 years and you’ll see what I mean.
  13. JoeyBoy718

    JoeyBoy718 Well-Known Member

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    I say "reach" because many people still think we did. I never thought so. Anyway, my point is I don't think it's reaching when you're confident the guy can play even if you can wait a round to take him. I think there's gambling on potential (like Dontari Poe). I think it's a reach to gamble with a high pick. Save the gambling for the mid-rounds. There are sure thing guys who fall to the 2nd round every year because teams get so caught up in the flash. I don't think it's a reach to take those guys in the 1st round.
  14. ghst187

    ghst187 Well-Known Member

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    If we somehow got Hatcher and Spencer back....we'd have Bass and Crawford back and then (per my mock draft below) we strike draft gold by landing Nix in the first and Aaron Donald in the second....our DL would go from weakness to ferocious.
  15. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    Counting on either player would be a huge mistake.
  16. IrishAnto

    IrishAnto Well-Known Member

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    If we dropped back in the 1st like we did last year and picked up a pick or two then I wouldn't have much of a problem with doing that, however I'd be less be less happy in picking a guy with a second round grade at 16/17 and getting nothing lese in return.
  17. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    I dont see them releasing Ware or even asking him to take a pay cut...............most likely scenario is that he restructures and converts salary into signing bonus money which can then be prorated over the remaining years of the contract to provide the team with some cap relief.
  18. rwalters31

    rwalters31 Active Member

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    Finally, a thread that really goes after the problem. If we stop buying tickets and merchandise from Jerry he might get the hint.:eek:

    Thank you:D

    PS
    I heard that Jimmy Johnson got rejected by the HOF committee for disagreeing with Jerry. Heck, I think he should have gotten a metal.
  19. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Broaddus has been saying recently that this is a worse group of defensive tackles than last year.

    I certainly hope not. I do not personally see it, but he does. I get that he is worried about Nix and Easley because of their knees, but I happen to like little things as far as scheme fit from Sutton and Donald. He also hates the two LSU tackles, which is surprising.
  20. black label

    black label Well-Known Member

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    Go back and take a look at what he says year after year, The guy is really bad ay predictions. He fills his hat with a whole bunch of predictions-ideas than picks one every two weeks.

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