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Dems seek 'Truth Commission' probe of Bush

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by ConcordCowboy, Mar 4, 2009.

  1. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Dems seek 'Truth Commission' probe of Bush

    Senators call for investigation into former administration's security policies


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    Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., listens to testimony on Capitol Hill during the committee's hearing on a "Truth Commission" to investigate the Bush administration's national security policies.



    WASHINGTON - Senate Democrats on Wednesday suggested Republicans should join their call for a nonpartisan "Truth Commission" to probe whether the Bush administration abused its power, or face partisan congressional investigations.

    The GOP response: forget it.

    Sen. Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, was supported in his commission proposal by a former career diplomat and a retired admiral. But he told a hearing he convened that if Republicans "remain absent or resistant, this opportunity can be lost."

    He said the alternative was "accountability through more traditional means" — defined by Leahy's aides as congressional hearings controlled by Democrats.

    Both moderate and conservative Republicans made clear to Leahy, D-Vt. that they'll take their chances with the alternatives to a "Truth Commission."

    Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., ranking GOP member on the committee, said he opposes the "Truth Commission" because Democrats "can walk in the front door" of the Justice Department and "ask directions to the relevant filing cabinet."

    Specter has often criticized the former administration's assertion of extraordinary powers to fight the war on terror, but said the commission is unnecessary.

    Specter is considered a moderate and a maverick. Sen John Cornyn, R-Texas, part of his party's conservative wing, added: "The idea that this so-called Truth Commission would somehow resolve the good-faith disagreements ... is just asking us to believe in the tooth fairy." He said he's willing to have Congress do the job itself.

    The Justice Department is, in fact, opening the file drawers to make public the formerly secret Bush administration memos on counterterrorism.

    The documents released Monday by the department showed the Bush administration determined that certain constitutional rights would not apply as the U.S. stepped up its response to terrorism.

    Within two weeks of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, government lawyers were discussing ways to wiretap U.S. conversations without warrants, the documents showed.

    The Bush administration eventually abandoned many of the legal conclusions, but the documents themselves had been closely held.

    Leahy hasn't yet introduced a bill that would show the composition of a commission. The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, John Conyers of Michigan, has introduced legislation for a similar commission.

    "There should not be a focus on retribution or payback, and such an effort should not be used for partisan purposes," said Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., a supporter of the commission. He told Leahy, "That is why your proposal, Mr. Chairman, is so important. Your proposal is aimed at finding the truth, not settling scores."

    Thomas Pickering, ambassador to the United Nations under former President George H. W. Bush, gave Leahy's idea strong support at the Senate hearing.

    "We must, as a country, take stock of where we might have been and determine what was not acceptable, what should not have been done, and what we will never do again," he said. "It is my sincere hope that this commission will confront and reject the notion, still powerful in our midst, that these policies are proper choices that could be implemented again in the future."

    Retired Vice Adm. Lee Gunn, part of a coalition of retired admirals and generals opposing torture, added that members of his group have conflicting views on whether to prosecute those who carried out harsh interrogations.


    "But we all believe that we cannot move forward without looking back and examining how our country got so far off track," he said.

    Republicans countered with Jeremy Rabkin, a George Mason University professor of constitutional law, who concluded, "What many advocates of a 'Truth Commission' seem to have in mind is not simply an exercise in gathering facts but in assessing blame."


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  2. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    God Lord, Manny, Moe and Jack at the wheel.

    Maybe it's just me but seems like we have plenty on our plate right now. How is this going to help anything? I guess it would help if it is intended as a misdirect with what's really going on on the Hill these days, I don't know.
  3. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Go get that sob Bush!

    :p:
  4. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah, might even be a twofer. The Mob is fickle
  5. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that should help take attention away from the antics the dems are pulling right now. Gosh maybe they can hold more hearing on steriod use in Baseball
  6. sacase

    sacase Well-Known Member

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    It don't matter, nothing is going to happen to Bush anyways. Just a waste of time and money. Besides, just because you are in power now doesn't mean you will be in power later. Do you really want to have the GOP having truth commissions when you get out of power?
  7. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Bush sleeps with the fishes.

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  8. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    God you're cranky today.
  9. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Nancy husband sleeps with a fish. GW sleeps in Texas.
  10. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    That fish looks better than her.
  11. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    hey - if we're going to hold a politician, esp one who no longer matters, accountable for the truth, let's do it across the board.

    hell, obama can't nominate a democrat anywhere w/o lies and baggage being the headline.

    clean up your own damn house first obama.
  12. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Could be worse. I'm sure we'll probably experience it soon enough.
  13. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    I doubt Obama has anything to do with this...nor will he support it.
  14. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Too busy redecorating it.
  15. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you.
  16. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    hey, it's happening under his watch. he's responsible.

    i heard that for 8 years. if it's not true, i hope all sides put that "card" away. i just hate cards that only seem to count when you want them too.

    in the end, i hope he doesn't. i hope he doesn't try to stifle rush, or any political commentator and i hope he's as fair to all sides as he says he'll be.

    so far i'm not impressed with what he's doing, but it's early. he's still our president and i still support him as such.
  17. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    WHAT????!!

    :p:
  18. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    If he comes out and says he doesn't support it...it will be hard to hold him accountable for it.
  19. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    Lord, how many times have I heard that...

    As I stated on here earlier, I watched Brokaw call the falling economy the "Bush Economy" days after the 2000 election was decided.

    Bush was criticized for talking the economy down yet when Obama does it it somehow gets blamed on Bush...

    The 9/11 attacks took a long time to plan and Clinton could have thwarted them earlier. I heard time and time again from the sanctimonious left that "It happened under his watch"...

    Turnabout is fair play... ;)
  20. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    turnabout just perpetuates stupidity to me.

    "well he did it" parents won't even let kids get away with, yet look - it's done all the time by the same adults.

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