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Dez meets Michael Jordan

Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by JustDezIt, Feb 17, 2013.

  1. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    Oh, get real. He obviously retracted his original opinion because he was getting skewered in the media. Bulls fans were angered and Scottie didn't want to sully his good name with that market.

    Either way, Jim Boeheim and Pat Riley saw the exact same things. Riley's nickname for LeBron is BOAT... an acronym for Best Of All-Time.
  2. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    Outstanding post. Nostalgia is one hell of a drug.

    Today's NBA prospects compete against the best players in the entire world to make it into the league, as opposed to primarily competing against only the best American collegiate players. Globalization has made a huge difference and has made it that much more difficult just to make it into the league.

    When you add that to the fact that zone D is now legal (it was illegal for Jordan's entire Bulls career) and the obvious athletic advantages today's players hold over players from the '80s-'90s, it's downright silly to even try to argue that Jordan faced stiffer competition than LeBron is facing.

    There are also more NBA teams in existence than there were during Mike's era. More teams equals more competition.

    Put LeBron in a time machine back to 1989 and he'd beat the brakes off of Mike. Oh, and he has about 50 lbs on Mike, not 20.
  3. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    If you ever watched a game from the 80s to 90s you would stop using the zone defense excuse. Teams got away with so much more than they do today. Even towards the end of that era, the match-ups between the Knicks and Heat are more physical than any other match-up today.

    I'm not saying teams today couldn't compete at all under those rules, but most offensive players will take today's rules over those of the late 80s/early 90s
  4. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    The only things teams "got away with" was the occasional hard foul that wasn't called a flagrant. Nowadays, flagrant fouls are handed out like candy but that doesn't mean teams don't get physical/dirty, especially come playoff time.

    Nostalgia's one hell of a drug.

    I remember the Knicks-Heat matchups and they're no more physical than matchups are nowadays. Don't believe me? Rewatch any Heat-Celtics playoff game from the last couple years. Hell, rewatch Heat-Pacers from last season. LeBron got whacked regularly in the lane and kept going back for more.

    So I'm sure he could handle the physicality of the '80s-'90s, especially considering the fact that he'd be an athletic monster playing in an era where absolutely nobody could come close to matching up with him.

    The whole notion that LeBron's some babied athlete that couldn't handle the way the game was played is flat-out ridiculous and is just another example of nostalgic fans pretending everything from THEIR era was soooo much better than it is nowadays.

    Miami's Finals loss to Dallas was a direct result of the Mavs' successful zone defense flustering a Miami team that didn't yet have the chemistry needed to bust that zone. Zone D changes the entire way the game is played and the ability to go zone makes things twice as complicated for an offense to execute. Star offensive players nowadays would easily trade zone D for occasionally being whacked a bit harder in the lane.

    Imagine a league where teams HAD to play LeBron man-to-man AND HE KNEW IT.
  5. jimmy40

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    Wonder how good Jordan would be in today's dribbling is optional, no such thing as a pivot foot, shuffle your feet before you make your move NBA. Basketball is so much easier now it's an absolute joke.
  6. DFWJC

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    I thought this was thread about Jordan and Dez. WTH is all this LeBron groveling and knee pad adjusting for?

    It's good to see that a couple fo Hall of Fame level coaches like James. He is awesome, no doubt.

    So that makes 4-5 for LeBron and 4-5 million for Jordan. Sounds about right.:D
  7. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, if only MJ played in an era with bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic opponents who could play both man and zone D! He'd have had a waaaay easier time! :lmao2:

    The term "superstar call" originated thanks to Mike being rewarded with FTs if a defender breathed on him. David Stern knew who the NBA's cash cow was and so did the refs.

    The selective memory sheep have for this man's career is nothing short of astounding.
  8. jimmy40

    jimmy40 Well-Known Member

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    find a more athletic game than U of H vs Louisville in '83. 30 years ago. The'80s lakers would run any current NBA team off the court, again almost 30 years ago.
  9. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    Oh, this is gold.

    The amount of spin needed to convince oneself that the good old days were better than the present has reached dizzying new heights.

    Now basketball players in 2013 aren't as athletic as they were 30 years ago!!!!!

    Good thing Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook weren't coming up in the '80s. Those Louisville kids would've run them out of the gym! :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

    The Lakers? In case you couldn't tell, LeBron can do anything Magic Johnson could do, just at a faster pace and with twice the vertical leap.

    You're tragically out of touch.
  10. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Durant is very similar to George Gervin or Bob McAdoo.

    Anyway, thsi comparing player fro 20-30 years ago is silly.
    If those same players grew up in this era, they too would be even bigger, even strong and even faster than they were back then.

    You compare players in the same eras...the rest is hypothetical
  11. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough.

    But nothing is sillier than pretending players 30 years ago were actually more athletic than they are nowadays. :laugh2:
  12. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Probably the best someone could say is that certain players were more (or less) athletic relatively speaking.
  13. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    I guess Nav22 thinks Emmitt would be less of a player if he played nowadays compared to the 90's.
  14. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Or Jim Brown
  15. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    I guess you guys still use 8-track players. Yay, older and slower!
  16. NIBGoldenchild

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    Better than younger and dumber.
  17. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that made sense. :lmao2:
  18. HoustonFrog

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    This makes no sense since the league was not only stronger back when Jordan played but was less watered down and had rules that ensured that defenses could hand check and basically play bully ball all day. It's amazing that we can even have this argument for a guy who quit on his team a couple of years back and then had to run away just to win ONE. Guy has mad skills but you are living in a world that isn't real when you start this b.s. This is who Jordan played in his era...Hakeem, Mailman, Isiah, Dumars, Magic, Bird, Robinson,etc, etc. You do know the 80s and 90s were considered the peak of the NBA and considered to have the most talent overall? Same with defenses back then. All teams had enforcers and you got killed. The league now has up to half the teams with no talent and who are lottery bound and guys like Pau Gasol are considered tough. Really?
  19. ghst187

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    Jordan couldn't win till most of the stars from that era were retired or at the end of their career, save mailman. Of course by the time the Bulls were meeting the Jazz in the finals Stern was ensuring the Bulls wouldn't lose because the league was making too much money off of Jordan. I don't think the Supersonics got a single call in the finals the year the Bulls won 70 games. Anyway, there's a long list of current players that Jordan couldn't guard, esp if all of them get away with all the travels, carries, and etc equal to what MJ did. In MJ's day, there weren't hardly any players with the length, skill, and athleticism to d him up, given a fair fight. Now there is about one per team. Not saying he'd get shut down, but he's not dominating games the way he did and not the way KD, Kobe, or Lebron can now. I hate the Heat and the Lakers with a passion but I just can't foresee any possible way the Bulls of that era could win more than a game in a seven game series from either. Size, skill, and athleticism are significantly better across the board. Do you really think Kareem could score 40 against Shaq or Tim Duncan. I sure don't. I think he'd get shoved into the bleachers. Can't imagine Bird going for even 20 against Kobe. The Chief vs Dwight Howard....Magic vs Kevin Durant....Magic shot threes like a gradeschooler.....cmon...its not much of a contest.
  20. HoustonFrog

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    If you actually think the things you just wrote in the last part of this then we have nothing more to discuss. Bird, Magic and all the people you are talking about all played in a league where every team was stacked full of HOFers. Guys who were tough mentally and physically. The league is soft now. You don't know a thing about basketball and the skills and smarts to play if that us your argument. It's useless even going any further

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