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Dez vs Calvin vs AJ

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by cboyd, Mar 26, 2014.

  1. HappyOnions

    HappyOnions Datwin

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    Gotta say...I can't put Julio and Gordon in the top tier of receivers. Saying Julio belongs there just based on his sheer athleticism ( you didn't say this but it's been used as an argument in his favor) is all speculation at this point. It's like saying RGIII is a top QB because of his athleticism.

    Again, why no love for Brandon Marshall? He's everything that Dez should and hopefully will be at some point in his career. Since his rookie year, he racked up 7 straight 1000+ yard seasons and 5 of those were 100+ catch seasons as well.
  2. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    You think Fitz was in a worse QB situation than Gordon?
  3. CowboysFaninDC

    CowboysFaninDC Well-Known Member

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    2 years ago? yes.... weeden is better than kolb and anybody else they had.
  4. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know about that. But even still, Carson Palmer is better than a combination of Brian Hoyer, Brandon Weeden, and Jason Campbell.

    Gordon produced with all three and averaged 117 yards per game. He didn't play a full season and got over the 1600 yard 10 td mark with garbage QBs.

    Fitz? 59 yards a game. Not even 1000 yard season and not even the leading receiver on his own team-- Floyd barely beats him.
  5. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, he's the 2nd most athletically gifted in the league at 6'3" 229 with legit 4.3 speed, but he's also put up some pretty good numbers.

    He was the league leader before he got hurt, averaging 116 yards per game for the 1st 5 weeks. He looked like the best receiver in the league. Would he have kept up that pace? Unlikely, but I still think he's easily on the same level as Dez.

    Seriously, we all love Dez. We all think he's top tier, and rightfully so. But Julio is Dez but faster with and a more polished game. He doesn't quite have the ball skills, but he's no slouch in that regard either.
  6. CowboysFaninDC

    CowboysFaninDC Well-Known Member

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    one year wonder? ready to put him in the league top 10 based on one year performance?
  7. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    Was Dez a top 10 guy after last year? He was in the same boat that Gordon is in now... only he had Romo throwing to him and he was on pace to break Jerry Rice's old single season record, had he played the entire season.

    Alshon Jeffrey is a one year wonder so far. I don't think the same applies to Gordon, who was receiving the type of coverage you see guys like Green and Bryant get toward the end of the year. He held up just fine.

    His game is pretty good. Tall, strong kid, great vertical threat, can catch and run, solid route runner. He was able to beat the double team a bit better than Bryant was last year.
  8. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    Actually, scratch what I said about Gordon's double teams. Got him confused with Green for a minute. I watched their film the same day and I'm remembering things incorrectly.

    Looked at my notes, and Gordon didn't see much, if any double teams. So yeah, I'd probably knock him down a few spots but not many. I still would say he's better than Fitzgerald at this point in their careers.
  9. Jenky

    Jenky Well-Known Member

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    Ugh, delete post.
  10. perrykemp

    perrykemp Well-Known Member

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    He had a good rookie year too.

    Just 300 yards total after two seasons behind Randy Moss's pace.
  11. CowboysFaninDC

    CowboysFaninDC Well-Known Member

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    I normally don't like to anoint anyone after one year. it has to have happened for at least two years in a row. otherwise we would put victor cruz on there after 2011. put Brandon Lloyd on there after 2010, and miles Austin after 2009.

    I like to see consistent performance being a top 5 WR for at least two year if not three before getting anointed....so as parcells use to say, lets put the anointing oil away...
  12. CowboysFaninDC

    CowboysFaninDC Well-Known Member

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    too many years (over a decade) to cross and compare. he was 40th in total yards, and in the 70s in the total catches in his rookie year. not bad, but nothing great. we have all seen better.Randy moss was 3rd in receiving and 16th in total catches as a rookie. its a passing league so the game is a little different. receiving stats will pile up quickly.
  13. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    True. But he's also got more yards in his first two seasons than all current top 10 receivers.

    He's only behind Rice, Moss, and Groman/Hennigan who played in the 60s. But he actually averaged more yards per game than Rice (but less than Bullet Bob).

    It's skewed by his 2nd year, but 805 yards his rookie year is still impressive.

    But to each their own.
  14. CowboysFaninDC

    CowboysFaninDC Well-Known Member

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    not saying he is not good, but impressive is relative. he was 40th in the league that year. again, its a passing league so the averages, #catches, etc. is expected to be higher. randy moss was third in receiving in his rookie year.

    he is trending up. if he has another good year, then he is definitely in the conversation. for now he is in a room next to the elite WRs
  15. jamesdojr

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    If Dez was forced the ball like AJ and Calvin, Dez would be hands down #1 receiver in the league. Calvin's QB knows when Calvin looks covered, he's really not. When our QB realizes this, Dez will be better and so will the team.

    Dez best WR in football!!!! And I'm not homing on this. And yes, I've watched them all three play. Dez is electric.

    1. Dez
    2. Calvin
    3. AJ
    4. Julio


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  16. Vintage

    Vintage The Cult of Jib

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    Lol. Funny stuff.
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  17. Wood

    Wood Well-Known Member

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    go back and watch CJ against Dallas last year. It was most dominant performance I have ever seen at WR and I have been watching pro football 30+ years. I have never seen Dez even remotely take over a game like that. CJ is 6'5" made out of silk. Dez will never match his skill set but I do think Dez can be very very effective especially in red zone.
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  18. cml750

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    I believe it all depends on the health of Romo. If Romo is not what he used to be then Dez will not even be in the discussion. If Romo is healthy Dez will rack up some really good stats. Having Garrett out of the offense can't hurt either!!;)
  19. ABQcowboyJR

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    Megatron>AJ>Dez

    I think Dez is creeping up and can eclipse AJ this season but has yet to do so. AJ is a much better deep ball receiver right now.
  20. ABQcowboyJR

    ABQcowboyJR Well-Known Member

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    Good post, I agree here. To me though Fitz is #2 no question. I would have said Andre and have in the past but I think father time might have finally caught up with him.

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