DMN Blog: '4th and Long' - Finalist *Spoilers* - Merge

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  1. Joe Realist

    Joe Realist No Kool-Aid here!

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    In the end, Holley has NFL size but it won't matter.

    Roy Williams
    Patrick Crayton
    Miles Austin

    Does he beat out Hurd - no
    Stanback - Jerry is going to let a tv guy beat out his pet project???
    2009 draft pick - maybe - if keep six WR's

    Practice squad at BEST
  2. Achozen

    Achozen Sounds From The Lair

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    Now we got two Stanbacks. :laugh2:

    AMERICAS_FAN Active Member

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    Holley EARNED it, but you keep your eyes closed. :rolleyes:
  4. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    I really do believe that Hawkins was passed because of his height. He basically outplayed everyone almost every episode. Coach Joe really overstated Holleys ability compared to other WRs on the team. Neither receiver could beat out Hurd and I think (Holley) will have a tough time beating out Stanback or Wilson for that matter. Mike will need to really work his magic in training him up for camp.
  5. ilovejerry

    ilovejerry Well-Known Member

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    They should have sent both to camp( Holly & Hawkins ) ,,,and see what happens christ..Amendola made the PS last year ... lets go Holly...Makes preseason intresting now.

    GOLDENCHILD1688 Well-Known Member

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    yeah i agree with you.

    i like holley but hawk was better to me throughout the course of the show

    i think hawkins size unfairly did him in

    he showed time and again it wasnt a factor during the course of the show but i knew they wouldnt give the little guy a chance. unlike holley he differs from anyone we have on our team

    well hears to hoping holley pans out. hes our guy now and hes got some talent. hopefully he can create a great ending to this story
  7. mmurray21

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    We have seen Hawkins fumble several times. If all you can do is special teams, you really need to take care of the ball better than he does.
  8. TX_Yid

    TX_Yid Well-Known Member

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    Hawkins did nothing but flat out ball. He made the DBs look like high schoolers the way he got them turned around off the line and he showed up more than anyone else as a special teams contributer.

    Coach Joe said it, they needed to pick someone who could contribute on special teams and that person was Hawkins, plus he offered something that none of our current WRs do.

    The Holley selection seemed like an attempt to send a prototypical body to Jerry so they weren't embarressed but I don't think he has a shot to make the team.

    I'd put my money on someone picking up Hawkins, he'll do a decent job for someone.
  9. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    Hawkins is already in the CFL.
  10. Everlastingxxx

    Everlastingxxx All Star

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    So what exactly has Hurd or Stanback done that would give you such confidence? These guys are no locks to make the team. Holley has a real shot. And i think he has some skills, he attacks the football. Also both have fallen to injuries the past seasons...that is all the advantage Holley would need.

    Also, what i would give to have the Playmaker run the Cowboys training camp. I was impressed with the workouts he had for them. Guys throwing up and passing out...i dont remember seeing any of that with Wades camp.
  11. TX_Yid

    TX_Yid Well-Known Member

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    Someone else on the board had said that Hawkins signed in the CFL prior to 4th and long and gave up his contract to be on the show.

    AMERICAS_FAN Active Member

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    Staged? Whatever! :rolleyes: The game was o the line - tied - and Hawkins had to make a play as a return man. His advantages were his shiftiness and speed, which typically comes through for him when he gets around people. Only on this critical play, he failed to use these strengts. And instead, he got stripped/fumbed, rather than just getting tackled. That line "it's not how many good plays you make; it's how many few bad plays you make" held true. And his bad play came at the worst time of the biggest game of 4th And Long.

    Sorry for spoiling the news for you Hawkins backers, but Irvin ultimately did not cut Hawkins; no, Hawkins cut -or should i say, fumbled - himself.

    Holley on the other hand made the plays to keep the lead and extend the lead. And he had no bad plays in the entire game. When the lights came on he delivered; he EANED his spot on the roster.
  13. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    I saw Hawkins make about 1 bad play the entire show and it was that fumble at the end.


    Un frickin believable.

    Holley has 0 chance of making this team. Hawkins had a much better shot but they went with measurables obviously.

    Hawkins had return ability and Special teams ability.

    Holley? He better be one heck of a receiver because thats all he has got. He is a 1 trick pony.

    They screwed this one up bigtime and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a conspiracy to get the ball to Holley more in that final game because they knew Hawkins would put on a show.

    Hawkins had a chance. Holley = 100% camp fodder.
  14. Avery

    Avery The Dog that Saved Charleston

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    Just some perspective for everyone:

    Hawkins (my personal favorite, but oh well) is getting reserve time for the Montreal Alouettes. The CFL is full of good players, but there's a reason they are not in the NFL.

    I don't think Holley could beat any of our backups. Look at his college stats against lower competition:

    Stats Overview Receiving Rushing Fumbles
    2004 30 456 15.2 45 2 2 4 2.0 2 0 0 0
    2005 47 670 14.3 49 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
    2006 37 466 12.6 50 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

    Five touchdowns in three years? That ain't going to cut it.

    My prediction is that he'll make the list of 75 players (JJ doesn't want to make himself look too much like a horse's arse), but that's as far as he goes.
  15. Cowboyz88

    Cowboyz88 Well-Known Member

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    And not exactly lighting it up.

    Not that I expect Holley to make any noise, but if Hawk can't do it in the CFL, then come on.

  16. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    Im rooting for Kevin Ogletree or Stanback to step up.

    I hope Holley does well. I really do. But he was not the best fit for Dallas.
  17. cowboyschmps3

    cowboyschmps3 Well-Known Member

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    i wish him the best....
  18. Cowboyz88

    Cowboyz88 Well-Known Member

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    Another thing some guys are forgetting is that it's a TV show.

    I thought Hawkins showed a lot too, but we didn't see everything these guys did or didn't do.

    Some of you guys must be tearing up the phone lines buying the "awesome auger" because it looks so good on TV.

    There's no telling how much the directors/producers were downplaying or pumping up guys because it made for "good" (cough, cough) TV.
  19. Bungarian

    Bungarian Butt Monkey Zone Supporter

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    No way Holley makes the team. In the end 4th and long was a joke.
  20. NextGenBoys

    NextGenBoys Well-Known Member

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    Nailed it. :hammer:

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