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DMN: Cowlishaw: Cowboys have almost nothing to show from '08, '09 and '12 drafts

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by jobberone, Jan 28, 2014.

  1. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Staff Member

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    Cowlishaw: Cowboys have almost nothing to show from '08, '09 and '12 drafts

    Published: 27 January 2014 11:21 PM

    Columnist Tim Cowlishaw answered questions in a chat Thursday. Here are some highlights.

    Question: Do you ever consider that it's much easier to do the draft as words in the air vs. having to actually draft a player? Jerry has done if not the best job at least a very competent job on the drafts for a very much longer time than you or any writer has given him credit for. And you sure don't hear any crap about his first pick last year anymore do you?

    Tim Cowlishaw: I don't know how you could look at recent drafts and say that. From 2008, Scandrick is the only player here. From 2009, no one is here. 2012 appears to have been a terrible draft -- trading up to get Claiborne. In what world, are these good drafts? They should provide the core of this team right now and there is almost nothing there.

  2. RonSpringsdaman20

    RonSpringsdaman20 Hold The Door! Zone Supporter

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    well it means we just have bad luck in drafts….. right???:rolleyes:

    sarcasm, of course…..
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  3. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Staff Member

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    This is the whole chat not just the Cowboys blurbs.
  4. Reality

    Reality Administrator Staff Member

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    From the 2008 draft, 4 of the 6 draft picks are on active rosters and the 5th one was on an active roster for part of last season.

    The 2009 draft was absolutely horrible.12 picks and a horrible draft is an indictment of the Cowboys personnel/draft department.

    From the 2012 draft, which it is still too early to tell, 4 of the 7 picks are currently on the roster so hard to label it horrible at this point. By late 2015, we'll know how good or bad it was.

    From the 2013 draft, all 7 picks remained on the roster/practice squad for the 2013 season. Of course part of that was the salary cap situation and the massive number of injuries we had especially on defense.

    There's no denying our drafts haven't been good in a long time, but they are not as dismal as the media makes them out to be. There were several players taken that I was not happy with. Some of those have played better than I thought and some have played worse than I even imagined.

    Given our salary cap situation this season, I think it's imperative that we have one of our best drafts in many years this year. We also need to hope that our 2013 draft picks improve and contribute more this season.

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  5. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    20081Felix JonesRBArkansas
    2Mike JenkinsDBSouth Florida
    3Martellus BennettTETexas A&M
    4Tashard ChoiceRBGeorgia Tech
    5Orlando ScandrickDBBoise State
    6Erik WaldenDEMiddle Tennessee State

    20091Jason WilliamsLBWestern Illinois
    2Robert Brewster TBall State
    3Stephen McGeeQBTexas A&M
    4Victor ButlerDEOregon State
    5Brandon WilliamsDETexas Tech
    6DeAngelo SmithDBCincinnati
    7Michael HamlinDBClemson
    8David Buehler KUSC
    9Stephen HodgeDBTexas Christian
    10John PhillipsTEVirginia
    11Mike MickensDBCincinnati
    12Manuel JohnsonWROklahoma
    2010s1Josh Brent


    20101Dez BryantWROklahoma State
    2Sean LeeLBPenn State
    3Akwasi Owusu-AnsahDBIndiana (PA)
    4Sam Young TNotre Dame
    5Jamar WallDBTexas Tech
    6Sean LissemoreDTWilliam & Mary

    20111Tyron Smith TUSC
    2Bruce CarterLBNorth Carolina
    3Demarco MurrayRBOklahoma
    4David Arking GMissouri State
    5Josh ThomasDBBuffalo
    6Dwayne HarrisWREast Carolina
    7Shaun ChapasRBGeorgia
    8Bill Nagy CWisconsin

    Morris Claiborne
    Louisiana State
    2Tyrone CrawfordDEBoise State
    3Kyle WilberLBWake Forest
    4Matt JohnsonDBEastern Washington
    5Danny CoaleWRVirginia Tech
    6James HannaTEOklahoma
    7Caleb McSurdyLBMontana

    20131Travis Frederick CWisconsin
    2Gavin EscobarTESan Diego State
    3Terrance WilliamsWRBaylor
    4J.J. WilcoxDBGeorgia Southern
    5B.W. WebbDBWilliam & Mary
    6Joseph RandleRBOklahoma State
    7DeVonte HollomanLBSouth Carolina

    The first number indicates the order in which they were chosen and not the round. My lack of skills with formatting allows me to put all of the information here.

    So Josh Brent was not taken in the first, but the first - ands only - player Dallas took in the Supplemental Draft in 2010.
  6. DBOY3141

    DBOY3141 Well-Known Member

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    Way to early to talk about the 2012 draft. I would like to see an overall comparision of the 2008/2009 drafts with the rest of the NFL. I think we all know that the 2009 draft was a bad draft overall. Not saying JJ didn't mess it up, but I would think the average would be like 1 or 2 players are still on the team that drafted them.
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  7. Bungarian

    Bungarian Butt Monkey

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    2008 had a few decent players. They are just playing for other teams.
  8. DBOY3141

    DBOY3141 Well-Known Member

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    Looked at Seattle and Denver for 2008/2009 drafts.

    Seattle - 2008 has 1 player on team, 2009 has 1 player on team
    Denver - 2008 has 1 player on team, 2009 has 3 players on team
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  9. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    Cowlishaw is a steaming pile of idiot.
    This is a classic example of why.

    2008 provides this roster with only a starting CB which may seem poor until you realize that draft was 6 players.
    They all lasted at least 5 years in the NFL.

    Do you know how friggin hard it is to make that type of draft haul?

    BUT, BUT, BUT none of the players are here.

    Yea, because we have no cap space. We can't afford the depth guys who make the roster better once they are off rookie contracts.

    Anyone really wanna argue that MartyB wouldn't be our 2nd best TE?
    That Mike Jenkins wouldn't be a top 4 CB??

    Even Tashard Choice would have been our 2nd best RB last year.

    Almost nothing left. Except your best overall athletes on each side of the ball you mean???
    Dez, Lee, Brent and Lissemore all started games here. We traded Lissemore for a higher pick when we changed schemes.
    If that's bad draft class lord let us do that every year.
    2 guys with All Pro talent and 2 legit NFL DL?

    Really??? Mo has been a starter for over 20 games already and has played every game he's been active.
    Crawford hot hurt last year but has been a rotational guy form the day he was drafted.
    Wilber is a legit NFL talent that they need ot find a position for due to scheme change.
    But largely that class is unwritten.
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  10. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    Which may speak to our inability to cultivate talent.
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  11. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    That 2009 draft REALLY hurt. Ouch!
  12. peplaw06

    peplaw06 That Guy

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    Both of those teams have changed GMs since those drafts. Oops.
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  13. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    or more likely our inability to pay talent.
  14. JPM

    JPM Well-Known Member

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    He's the same doofus that said Adrian Peterson played against Dallas this year.
  15. peplaw06

    peplaw06 That Guy

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    Please... We've all seen how Jerry manages the cap. He doesn't hesitate to pay guys he wants to keep. Sell that somewhere else.
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  16. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    not sure that matters.
    cowlishaw's point was those drafts should form the nucleus of your team.
    ...except apparently if you want to go to the super bowl.

    feel free to examine the 49ers and Pats as well. very few bodies form those drafts still around.

    cowlishaw made a point that has no basis in fact.
    it was an idiom he pulled out of his backside that hateful little mongrels lapped up.
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  17. Hostile

    Hostile The Duke

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    This will get swept under the rug by those who will never get it. The average NFL life is 3.5 years. In the era of Free Agency players move on to multiple teams. Further the same people who will grip about 2008 would be griping if we kept Felix, Martellus, and Jenkins. They are never happy with anything and never will be.
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  18. 187beatdown

    187beatdown Lack of Big Plays

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    The Cowboys have almost nothing to show from the 2005 draft. Man, what a horrible draft that was.
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  19. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough.
  20. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    I think you get a pass when you get to the Super Bowl. Just saying.
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