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Does Norm Pass up on Mike Williams?

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Dyluke, Feb 9, 2005.

  1. Dyluke

    Dyluke Member

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    The slim dream of Mike Williams falling to us at 11 apprears to be dead. Does anyone see the Titans passing up on MW now that Norm Chow is bringing in his system? Looks like we are going to have to make a package deal (which will never happen) to jump up and get the USC reciever.
  2. Portland Fanatic

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    If we trade up I'll be pissed...I expect an all defensive draft early. However if he falls...go for it!
  3. dbair1967

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    not sure they really need WR's...they need OL help bad though...they are in salary cap hell too, so you could see them release a bunch of other high priced guys at other positions

    David
  4. lkelly

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    I can't imagine Mike Williams helping the Titans win any more games in 2005. They have a very good WR group. They'll just end up keeing some good players on the bench if Williams in injected into the mix. Meanwhile, the rest of their roster will continue to erode. Two more seasons like the last one and the whole coaching staff will be looking for a new job.
  5. chicago JK

    chicago JK Well-Known Member

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    They have Bennett who had a breakout year. Bennett is a big WR. They also have that young big WR that Roy hurt last year that looks interesting. Plus I believe mason will be around. Those are a nice group. I doubt they go with a WR.
  6. Bobo

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    They won't take a OT at #6.

    One of the big name guys they may have to release is Mason (only other one that would seriously hurt the team is Samari Rolle). In fact, Mason looks like the guy that's hardest to keep and the one who's easier to replace with the Chow-MW connection, Bennett, Ben Troupe (rookie pass catching TE), and Calico (Roy's victim).

    When Calico got hurt, the lack of depth for TN's wr's showed. He was the #3, and TN spreads it out a lot with 3 and 4 wr sets. McCareins was traded to the Jets, and the #4 WR couldn't get over his chronic hammies so he was released. So Williams makes perfect sense if Mason is gone.

    lkelly, don't expect more seasons like the last for the Titans. They had more starts missed by starters than any team in the league and in the last decade. You don't go from being tied with St Louis for the winningest record in the NFL over the last 5 years to a 5-11 team just because you lose Kearse and McCariens. Bud Adams knows that.
  7. Rack Bauer

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    I don't think Norm will be making those decisions. They don't really "need" a WR anyway.
  8. Bobo

    Bobo New Member

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    They may very much need a WR if Mason is gone.
  9. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    They need a QB. I would not be surprised at all to see them try and put together a deal with San Diego for Rivers. Not saying San Diego would do it but I'd bet the Titans would try. McNair is pretty much done for IMO. Volk is not the type of QB Chow needs to run his offense. They really need a QB.

    I'll tell you what else. Brown doesn't fit Chow's offense either. He doesn't have the quicks that Chow likes out of his backs.

    The more I think about this hire, the more interesting it gets. There could be some real changes on the horizon for Tennessee.
  10. Bobo

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    How do you figure McNair is done?

    How doesn't Volek fit? Got specifics?

    Chow has already said they won't overhaul the O, just tweak it. I don't see Brown having any problem fiting in.
  11. lkelly

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    McNair has started all 16 games once in the last 6 years. Last year he missed half the season. Even more crucial are his numerous comments about thinking that it is time to retire. Once a player has that mentality, a team would be wise to move on. Do you think McNair is going to take a myriad of painkilling shots just to be able to walk out onto the field when he is on the fence about hanging it up? He may play another season or even two, but the Titans aren't going to get the McNair of 3-4 years ago.

    I have no idea if they consider Volek anything more than a good backup.

    Chow certainly knows how to pound the ball with a bigger back. Lendale White served that role at USC.

    Back to the original topic of the Titans drafting Williams - it would stun me as it isn't a need on the team compared to several other positions. I also don't think that Norm Chow, who is just now probably arriving at team headquarters, will have an overwhelming say in who they draft. If one of the QBs drops to their position, I think they would be wise to pick him up. One or two years under Norm and they could be set at the position for a while.
  12. ABQCOWBOY

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    Pretty simple, he's basically saying he's done.

    Volk is a nice Back Up guy but I can't see how he can be considered the QB of the future if he couldn't beat out a seriously injured McNair. Chow's offense needs a big time QB to run it. That aint Volk.

    LenDale White is a big back but he's not a slow back. Brown, on the other hand, is. Brown's style of running is a grind it out, war of attricion type attack. That's not Norm Chow's offense. Chow's offense is an attacking at all times, everywhere on the field type offense. Brown is not going to be able to provide that IMO. Both White and Reggie Bush can run. White is bigger and probably not as quick but he's not exactly slow either. Chow's offense is predicated on speed. If your going to play for Chow, you had better have wheels. It is a mistake to think that just because White is big, he's like Brown or vice versa. Brown is big and slow. White is big and fast. I stand by my original evaluation.
  13. InmanRoshi

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    The Titans have a very structured, organized and disciplined front office. Their offensive coordinator will not be calling the shots on draft day.
  14. ABQCOWBOY

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    Anybody who thinks Tennesse brought Chow in to go along with the status quo is a fool. This guy was brought in to put his offense in. That means players that will work in his offense. You don't pay a coordinator the kind of money they had to put out for Chow to let him come in and sit idley by while the draft is being spent on defense or the like. Chow will have say in this draft. I'd bet my life on it.
  15. Bobo

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    The Titans would not be wise to move on away from McNair for an unproven rookie or Billy Volek. All the latest indications are he's staying. He missed so many games last year due to being hit in the sternum which they later found out he had an unusual problem with his sternum that he was born with. He had surgury to fix that. Sound like he's going to retire? They don't need the McNair of 3-4 years ago....how about the MVP McNair of 2 years ago? One off season doesn't mean he's finished.

    If Mason is gone, what position is in more need than WR? If McNair does retire, I'm sure they are fine with Volek starting. He has done a very good job and they have praised him alot.

    ABQ, McNair hasn't said he's done. What he's said is that he'll have to consider if he should come back in the off season. Many players do that type of retirement talk, but come back to play. It's not the same as saying he's done.

    What do you mean by "Volek" couldn't beat out a seriously injured McNair? Wasn't his spot to beat him out. McNair was the one who said if he could play or not, and they went with his decision. Volek obviously played better than a hurt Steve. Volek played really well considering the beat up offense around him.

    Brown is a "slow back"? 1st "Volk", now this. You obviously don't know much about the Titans, and I do, I am a season ticket holder. Brown grinds it out? War of attrition? Dude, that was what George was for the Titans, NOT what Brown has been. Totally the opposite. Brown has good breakaway speed, ran high 4.4's to low 4.5's. He can break the long one and had the highest YPC of feature backs. He will not win a war of attrition because he's been too injury prone. He only played 11 games (and gained 1067 yards) and maybe only played half of those games fully.

    They need a better backup for the oft injured Brown. Maybe a big back to grind out short yardage and share carries, maybe a scat back like Sproles. Either way, Fisher has said Brown is the back of the future. He and Chow have also said they won't totally change the O, just make tweaks to the current, effective O.
  16. lkelly

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    With a starting running back who can't last a full season and starting QB who is aging and can't play a full season, I see a lot of logic in drafting a WR in the top 10. Perhaps Dallas will follow that same logic and draft a TE at 11.
  17. Bobo

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    A very good starting rb, who like most rb's, doesn't make it a full season. Should the Cowboys draft a rb at 11 since JJ played 8 games last year? Maybe the Titans take a RB at #6, if he's the BPA. But as deep as this draft is, they can get a good backup later.

    The QB has carried that franchise for awhile, you don't give up on him. You do give him a good backup, like Billy Volek.

    Now, if Derrick Mason is lost due to the cap, you've got 1 proven WR with 1 good season.....Drew Bennett....who had a horrible case of the dropsies last season. The #2 would by Calico who has awesome potential, but really hasn't proven much yet. After that, very little solid depth.
  18. ABQCOWBOY

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    This seriously makes me laugh. OK, if you say McNair is the future, then that's fine. The thing I see is that McNair has been in the league for 10 years. He does have a history of injury and his production appears to be on the down slide. Maybe the surgery is succesful but I'll tell you know, McNairs style has always been as a mobile running QB. He's also not a guy who avoids the hits all that well. I think McNair is short for the road. His numbers in 8 games last year are maybe 1/3 of what a full 16 game schedule might have been. This is a new offense that will be brought in. McNair is older and his cap number is large. How long will he play? Perhaps just long enough to really learn Chow's new offense.

    As for Brown, well, I watched this guy play many times while at Colorado. He is not a fast/quick back. On a good day, he might run a 4.5 but that's a fast track. The guy is a mudder. I've watched him while at Tennessee as well. He does not impress me as a home run back. Perhaps he has improved dramatically but I have not seen it. That offense will work when you have guys who can take it to the house. Not before.
  19. Bobo

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    You should laugh, you don't even know a players name who you're talking about and have painted a guy who's totally the opposite of Eddie George as being like Eddie George. That's pretty funny in my book ;)

    McNair can have a future, and you don't jump on a QB at #6 in a weak QB class and say he's the future when McNair can stick around and you have Billy Volek as well. McNair has gotten better as a QB up until last year, which obviously was affected by injury that he didn't play effectively with. I don't see that's enough to say that he's on decline. You keep saying Chow's going to change the O, yet he and Fisher have said it won't change much. I think I'll take their word, and also Fisher's word that McNair has talked to Chow and is excited about him being the new OC.

    Brown isn't very quick, he's a long strider and 6'3", but once those long strides come, he can run with and outrun some db's. A mudder? lol I've seen several 40 times for him, all with the 4.45 to 4.55 range. He's shown impressive speed in long td runs in college and now the NFL. There's no time you would have seen him where he was "slow", and he's taken it to the house several times. I wouldn't call him a "speed" back, but to say he's slow and describe him like he's George is completely ridiculous....and again, laughable ;)
  20. ABQCOWBOY

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    I think it's interesting that you assume I'm suggesting a QB be taken in this class. I never said that. I think Smith is going to be a fine QB but that's here nor there. In actuallity, I said they need a QB and they do. If you wish to stand by the fact that McNair will work, that's fine. I think you'll be in the minority but no big deal. From reading yoiur posts, I'd imagine your used to that by now. As far as Brown is concerned, I know this player. He is not what you portray him to be and he isn't going to work in that offense. If I'm wrong, we will all know soon enough. If I'm not, I expect to hear nothing from you as you will likely not show up to admit your error.

    Again, we will see soon enough.

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