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Draft Grades from Kiper & others...

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Risen Star, Apr 29, 2012.

  1. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    Dallas Cowboys

    Needs: B
    Value: C

    Overall: C+

    Summary: Dallas created one of the first dramas of the draft, moving up to No. 6 in a deal with St. Louis. The big question was whether they would take Mark Barron or Morris Claiborne. They went with Claiborne, and suddenly you look at their corners as a strength, adding the LSU star to a team that already has Brandon Carr. Problem is, Carr wasn't a draft pick and Dallas didn't get much after that. Tyrone Crawford is a decent player. He was my No. 8-ranked defensive end, but my first guess would be that he'll stand up. He profiles more as a depth pick as he adjusts. Kyle Wilber could stick. Really thought Dallas would get a player along the offensive line and improve the run game. I also don't see any immediate help for the pass rush. But the Cowboys can feel pretty good about landing Claiborne.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...0/mel-kiper-gives-grades-every-nfl-team-draft
  2. Skerr41

    Skerr41 Member

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    I love Kipers draft grades, given purely on teams abilities to follow his board. The more bad grades he gives, the worse his rankings actually were.
  3. Risen Star

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  4. Risen Star

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    Maybe someone can edit the thread title, I'm just going to post whatever grades I find.

    Here's Pete Prisco, CBS Sports.


    Best pick: Trading up to land corner Morris Claiborne was a great move for the Cowboys. They landed the best cover player in the draft with a sharp move up to get him.

    Questionable move: Not much to quibble with here, other than not addressing the depth issues on the offensive line with any of their picks.

    Third-day gem: Fourth-round pick Kyle Wilber has some pass-rush ability and could end up as a special-teams player.

    Analysis: It's hard to argue with moving up to get Claiborne, who gives the Cowboys their best cover player in years. They did give up a second-round pick to do it, but it made sense. I like third-round end Tyrone Crawford as well.

    Grade: B+

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...aul-gets-high-praise-saints-flunk-the-weekend
  5. Risen Star

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    John Czarnecki, Fox Sports.

    Dallas Cowboys
    This team blew five fourth-quarter leads last season as Rob Ryan's defense faltered time and again. So owner Jerry Jones made the bold move to trade up with the Rams in order to take LSU's Morris Claiborne, the draft's most complete cornerback. This was a bold move, and Claiborne has no character flaws. ... They waited until the third round for their next pick. Ryan has to love the addition of Boise State defensive end Tyrone Crawford. ... Wake Forest outside linebacker Kyle Wilber also has pass-rush potential and, at worse, is a special-teams star. ... Eastern Washington's Matt Johnson will be given every chance to become a starting safety. The late-round find could be Oklahoma tight end James Hanna, who has a quick first step and possibly give Jason Witten a rest, since Witten isn't getting any younger. Grade: B+

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Czar-NFL-Draft-grades-per-team-042812
  6. HoosierCowboy

    HoosierCowboy Put Pearson in the HOF

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    Kiper is and annoying wonk who really likes to hear himself talk--I'd hate to have to spend a day with him.
  7. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    He (Kiper) measures things according to his board and how well the team fills the needs that HE envisions.

    You mention one fly in the ointment, i.e. how he grades players.

    The other has to do with the team needs and if he has accurately gauged them.

    The continuing debate is going to swirl around the G-C-G positions for the Cowboys.

    Are the Cowboys that bad off or aren't they?

    Did the two guys they signed via free agency improve those positions?

    Are Costa, Arkin, Nagy and Kowalski going to be an improved edition from last season to this one?

    No one truly knows the answer... The Cowboys think they do or they would have targeted those positions in the draft. The fact that they didn't says a great deal. Even if they hadn't traded up in the first, from all indications they would not have drafted a G or C in rounds 1 or 2. That's obviously telling.

    But are they right?

    We'll find out. :)
  8. Texas_Pete

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    Dallas did the right thing by upgrading the defense through the draft. Romo was the 4th rated QB last year with an outstanding passer rating of 102.5. We were 11th in total offense. Offense wasn't the problem. Our 23rd ranked passing defense is what let us down. We've addressed that need big time.
  9. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    There is some merit to that.

    But on the other hand given the greatness of Romo's season I would have expected better than 11th in total offense. That's close to "middling".

    The fact is they only had 5 rushing touchdowns and there were far too many pass-rush breakdowns due to the Costa, Nagy, Dockery and Free.

    I expect Free to be better. Dockery is gone. Is Costa going to be better? Is Nagy? Did the two free agents that were signed improve things?

    I hope so. The Cowboys must think so.

    Again, we'll see.
  10. Sarge

    Sarge Red, White and Brew... Staff Member

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    5 rushing touchdowns is a huge problem.
  11. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    I completely agree with you.

    They either have faith in their young guys developing or they're putting that faith in Callahan to 'coach 'em up'!

    Obviously they didn't feel it was the need that many of us fans did.

    Let's hope that they're right!
  12. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Forgot to include Kosier in my post up above.

    Due to injuries, age or both, he was awful, just awful and won't be back.

    Addition by subtraction?

    We'll see.
  13. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    We remember the poor line play vs the Niners, Pats and Giants.

    We miss the area of time from January till training camp when some positive things could happen with these guys as far a strength and technique improvement.

    Like you say, let's hope they're right.
  14. DallasEast

    DallasEast Cowboys 24/7/365 Zone Supporter

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    :signmast:

    Being an old ex-lineman, I was closely watching the young bucks on the offensive line last season. Then again, how good Bilk Nagy and David Arkn can be in the mix is still largely a mystery to me.

    Jason Garrett and Bill Callahan are light years ahead of me in evaluation of the interior offensive line. My hopes rest with them in improving the punch between the tackles. We must be able to impose our will in short yardage situations, especially within the redone AND keeping defenders out of Tony Romo's face up the gut.
  15. Texas_Pete

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    That's true. I'm hoping that the young OL we started to groom last year will be better after a full training camp and strength training in the offseason. I'm also hoping that Vickers opens the same holes for Demarco and Felix that he opened for Arian Foster last year (who had a career year).

    We should be better at running the ball this year.
  16. jswalker1981

    jswalker1981 Fact > Your Opinion

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    What I like is that we have four guys to compete for two spots (and possibly the center position). It isn't like we are going "ho hum, let's hinge our bets on the hope that the guys from last year improve..."
  17. newlander

    newlander Well-Known Member

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    .......Gruden looked constipated having to sit by him the other night:laugh2:
  18. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    For all the flak everyone gives Kiper and McShay over their mocks and grades, it's worth noting they don't actually WANT to do them. They talk about it all the time in their podcast. They are contractually obligated to do them, but they openly admit they are pointless.
  19. VACowboy

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    What's interesting to me, and this is an observation, not an argument, is that Dallas was #1 in rushing up the middle at 5.2 yards a clip. How this squares with the common perception of the Dallas OL, I have no idea.
  20. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    I like Kiper and actually get his draft book, but this was idiotic on his part, Crawford is an obvious five technique and he even put in his book that he could play end in a 3-4:

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