Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Nors, Feb 4, 2005.
Looking for cliff notes on character risk types this draft
McFadden - FSU QB?
Richie Incognito. The WR Henry, I think from West Virginia. Don't know the whole story on these 2 (can you ever even get a fair story?), but I'd be wary.
You mean McPherson
the guy involved in gambling, bad checks
yeah, but he's been clean since all that went down. went back to some small school, played in the arena league and just kept a low profile. Not that we're in the market for yet another young QB, but I'm sure some team will take a flier on him.
Just trying to find the Ross's, Bryants, Goodrich type risks no real team needs.
Then there is the Jules Jones who was out of football a year, academics.
Trying to adjust my chart FOR good guys / bad guys.
julius wasn't a bad risk he just didn't meet the high standards of Notre Dame which is also causing a decline in the players they are able to get.
when julius came there he had high gpa in high school he was not a risk
the whole canty thing was blown out of proportion with ppl mistaking the 2 chris canty's
the only thing i have heard about henry was he might take plays off (sounds like plaxico or a poor man's randy moss)
With regards to Henry, I thought there were so disciplinary problems as well, along with real attitude problems. I'm not 100% sure, but I remember reading something along those lines.
I think that's one of the reasons Henry's stock has fallen from a couple of months ago.
yeah he might have i don't know alot about his situation there just seen them play a couple of games against VT
but i could see him being a discipline problem
Adrian McPherson would be worth the flier IMHO.
Hes a great athlete but character issues in the past and his small size (6-4 210) will hurt him.
I saw an interview on him earlier in the year, espn or fox one of the networks, and he seems to have matured and overcome alot of his troubled past.
Kid threw 61td's and 5 int's last year in Arena league
Chris Henry ends tumultuous career at WVU
Sunday, January 02, 2005
By Paul Meyer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Chris Henry yesterday ended his turbulent -- and final -- West Virginia season by announcing he will declare for the NFL draft.
The announcement really was made as Henry, a wide receiver, left the field at Alltel Stadium after West Virginia's 30-18 loss to Florida State in the Gator Bowl.
About 10 days ago, Henry said he would let his mother, Carolyn, make the decision. As Henry approached his mother, who was leaning over the front row of the stands, she simply shook her head as if to say, "There's no reason to stay."
Henry promptly gave her his helmet and walked into the tunnel to the locker room.
Later, he told reporters he was leaving.
"That's a news flash?" West Virginia coach Rich Rodriguez said when asked to comment on Henry's decision. "I wish him luck. He's practiced hard. He's played hard. He's done some nice things. Let's not throw him to the wolves. I hope he has a great career."
Henry, who redshirted his first year to concentrate on academics, had at least another year of eligibility remaining.
Yesterday, he had three receptions worth 61 yards. He also had another incident which typified his final season.
Ten minutes into the game, Henry was infuriated when quarterback Rasheed Marshall didn't notice he was open perhaps 25 yards downfield on what became an incomplete short pass to another receiver.
Henry waved his arms, took off his helmet, waved his arms angrily again and then walked petulantly off the field. Rodriguez immediately confronted Henry, and the two had a brief, heated exchange.
"I just didn't want him to be demonstrative," Rodriguez said. "You can be competitive, but I didn't want him to be demonstrative. Everybody knows you're open."
Henry, a 6-foot-5, 200-pounder from Belle Chasse, La., was suspended twice by Rodriguez this season.
He missed the first half of the Temple game Nov. 6 after being tagged with two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in the second half of the Rutgers game a week earlier and flashing an obscene gesture at Rutgers fans after his ejection.
Rodriguez also suspended Henry for the Pitt game Thanksgiving night for violations of at least three team rules.
Just before West Virginia ended practice for final exams two weeks ago, Henry told the Charleston Gazette that he thought his statistics at West Virginia could have been better had he had "a real quarterback" throwing him the ball. (**** My Comments - Sadly even though he is coming off as selfish or blaming the QB/Team....he is probably true about this as the QB for WVU made Quincy Carter look like Dan Marino in the passing game)
Quickly, Henry backtracked on that statement and said Marshall was a good quarterback but that Marshall is a running quarterback.
Marshall didn't care much for Henry's comment then, and he didn't have much comment on Henry's decision yesterday.
"That's his decision," Marshall said. "I can't really comment on it too much. There were some things Chris said about me that I really didn't appreciate and ever since then ... I'm not going to speak on it."
Henry finished his two-year West Virginia career with 93 receptions worth 1,878 yards and 22 touchdowns. The latter was second best in school history.
"I like him," guard Dan Mozes said. "I think he's a pretty good guy. He's not really immature, but he's immature talking to reporters."
Henry rarely talked with media covering West Virginia.
"He may say things he doesn't mean, but he doesn't have bad intentions," Mozes said. "He's done well here but, at the same time, the NFL's a different level. But he has great speed. He has great athleticism. He just has to be tougher, and I think he's going to be fine."
I would not take this guy with a 1st or second round pick....add into it that he basically did not want to block downfield, missed classes, was late to some meetings (these are some of the things he got suspended for the second time)....means he still needs to grow up.
I wouldn't exactly call Julius' grade issues at Notre Dame a problem. Just qualifying to Notre Dame is hard enough, considering most students are required to have at LEAST a 3.5 GPA and a 1200 SAT score.
Richie Icognito is as talented a lineman in this draft considering his versatility, but is a complete headcase to say the least. He isn't out of the Randy Moss/Terrell Owens mold, he just has SERIOUS anger managment issues that caused him to be kicked out of not only Nebraska, but Oregon as well.
Thanks for the reads
Richie Incognito has some major, major anger problems, and a father who fails to acknowledge it. Hopefully, he's getting some help while he waits for the draft.
Not sure, but I've heard/read he's got a real bad temper. Starts/gets into a lot of fights (off the field).
If you both want a detailed look into it, being a Nebraska fan I'll be glad to tell you.
Incident #1: Richie was at a party and in the middle of getting his female friend to go down on him, someone walked in and interrupted. Richie went off in a rage and rammed the guys head into a wall.
Bill Callahan became Nebraska HC soon after this and warned Richie if he had another incident he was gone. Not just a month after it did...
Incident #2: While in a winter weight training session, teammate Grant Mulkey and he were cracking jokes back and forth to each other. One joke seemed to get under Richie's skin WAY too much and he basically proceeded to beat Mulkey down before being physically restrained by other teammates.
Richie was suspended 'indefinetely' before being released from his scholarship in September of last year. Richie soon after transferred to Oregon where he had some sort of run-in with Oregon coaches and was dismissed just weeks after joining their squad.
His father defended him throughout the whole ordeals and believed the schools were making his son out to be a bad guy, while he was just doing what any college student would be doing.
If you've watched Richie play on the field, he has a MEAN streak in him. That's what made him such a dominant blocker and All Big-12 as a RS frosh and sophmore. He sustained blocks until the end of a play and just NEVER quit. If you could ever get tape to the 2003 Alamo Bowl in which Nebraska played Michigan State, you should get it and watch it and see exactly what I'm talking about. I personally thought the mean streak he had in him was just the way he played the game, but obviously not.
Do College kids get tested for that? I say Pass, gotta bring in football players in that are smart and reliable. This guy sounds like a leltdown waiting to happen. Thanks for the details.
Good stuff Willie...I see where you joined in September and only have two posts, don't be so bashful man. We need more contributions to the board like this.