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E-Lie Throws Another League Leading INT - Now 11 More Than Romo

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by WPBCowboysFan, Nov 17, 2013.

  1. Pessimist_cowboy

    Pessimist_cowboy Well-Known Member

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    Bart star had several seasons with a 60 qb rating which is horrid and even one in the 40s . He could not play in this era . His numbers 24000 passing 152 tds and 148 ints . Marino blows him out of the water , i would take romo over Bart star without hesitation . Even worse id take Eli manning over Bart Starr .
  2. perrykemp

    perrykemp Well-Known Member

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    Dig deeper than your gut reaction.

    You'll note that just 5.1 points separate their QB ratings despite a 25 year difference in playing eras. Interesting stats:

    QB Rating: Marino 86.4, Bart Starr 80.5
    Seasons with 100+ QB rating: Barr 2, Marino 1
    Championships / Superbowls: Starr: 5, Marino 0
    Completion %: Marino 59.4, Starr 57.4

    No arguing that Marino's stats are better than Starr's... however if you adjust for era I don't think it's a slamdunk for Marino.
  3. perrykemp

    perrykemp Well-Known Member

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    Dig deeper than the surface stats. Starr during the Packers Superbowl/Championship (1961 on) was money -- including 4 seasons of 90+ QB rating:

    1961: 90.7
    1964: 97.1
    1966: 105.0
    1968: 104.3

    Romo has never achieved a 105 QB rating.... and this is 47 years later.

    Romo has never had more than 1 one season with a 100+ QB rating.. Starr had 2. And this is roughly a half a century later.

    I agree my argument that Starr was better than Marino is debatable. To say that the Tony Romos and Eli Mannings are better than Starr is basically saying that no QB that played before the passing rules were opened up in the late 1970s was any good.

    I don't buy it.
  4. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Bart Starr's last game was 42 years ago you can't compare the numbers of a QB who's prime years came almost a half century ago with a QB today and make that kind of judgement. The game is a lot different today than it was back in the 60's. The last I checked 7 of the top 10 all-time passer rating leaders are current QB's. Starr's numbers as well as other QB's from decades ago reflect the era in which they played. They did what was asked of them during that time. Teams ran the ball most of the time back then so all QB's numbers from those years are way down compared to the QB's of today.
  5. dragon_mikal

    dragon_mikal Darth Jones strikes again! Zone Supporter

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    Hell...the NFL of today and the NFL of Marino are totally different. The offenses basically have their hand held in today's game compared to the 90s.
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  6. perrykemp

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    I agree with this line of thinking which makes Starr's multiple seasons of 100+ QB ratings half a century all the more incredible.
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  7. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Just look how the NFL protects QB's today compared to decades ago. Some of the roughing the passer calls today must make a lot of the old timers who played decades ago cringe. The player safety rule changes have really changed how the game is played. The rules have been bent to perfect the QB and the passing game which is why we're seeing so many 4000 yard passers and the completion percentages/ passer ratings are so high. Twice this season QB's have tied the NFL record for TD passes in a game.

    The passing numbers of QB's in the 60's and 70's are pedestrian compared to the numbers today because their numbers reflected the era. Who's to say Starr and many other QB's from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's couldn't produce big numbers in todays game. As the years go by and the game keeps changing QB's numbers keep going up. It's a passing league today and the passing numbers reflect it.
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  8. Wayne02

    Wayne02 Well-Known Member

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    You obviously care, which is why you continue to spout off your opinion about someone else's opinion.
  9. Carharris2

    Carharris2 Well-Known Member

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    No one cares if he's sick of it.
  10. Pessimist_cowboy

    Pessimist_cowboy Well-Known Member

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    C'mon Bart star never even had 2500 yards passing in a season . If he didn't have any rings is this really a debate ? I'm saying as a pure quarterback and passer Marino is hands down better . I just don't see the premise for any debate here . You have to take the emotions out here just look a shear talent and quarterbacking ability Marino is superior .

    So aikman ( whom I love ) is better than Favre and Peyton because he has more rings right ?
  11. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    Marino had no equal when it came to a passing QB. What he did in his era was something special. There is no argument.
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  12. HappyOnions

    HappyOnions Datwin

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    I would say that Aikman deserves to be mentioned with those guys, yes. I don't think people ever really got to see how great of a passer Aikman was due to having Emmitt on his teams. If Aikman had played without Emmitt, or in a different system I do think he'd put up similar numbers to Marino, Young and Favre...however, I don't think he wins 3 Super Bowls either...

    Stats don't tell the entire story...Of course playing QB means throwing for yards, completions, TDs, etc...but it also matters WHEN you throw them. Star and Aikman didn't up up flashy numbers, but they played within their systems to ensure that the team would be as successful as possible.
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  13. perrykemp

    perrykemp Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure Bart Starr never had to pass for big yards because his teams were absolutely dominant on the ground.

    Despite not passing it much, he was putting up QB ratings that would be impressive today including 4 seasons where he eclipsed 90+ QB rating and 2 of those seasons where he exceeded 100+ QB ratings.

    All I am saying is who to say guys like Starr in the 60s and Staubach in the 70's could be be putting up 4000 - 5000 yard seasons like many of the mediocre QBs of today are doing.

    I am not willing to discount the greatest passers of the 60s and 70s and say they would suck today.
  14. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    Trying to compare QB's from the past to today is a lesson in futility. Hell, trying to compare QB's in today's NFL is just as bad.
  15. Pessimist_cowboy

    Pessimist_cowboy Well-Known Member

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    If your going to look at qb rating the guy had 7 count them 7 seasons with a qb rating of 70 or below ( some even in the 40s) that's pretty horrid in any era . 152 and 148 Td / int ratio is pretty bad. And you're saying star could put up 4500 yards in today's nfl ? Lol he had a very weak arm it's well documented he couldn't throw over 40 yards and his balls were floaters never bullets .

    Could Staubach , Unitas , and maybe even Otto graham play in today's game yes because they had great arms .

    Len Dawson , Bart Starr , Sammy Baugh could not play in today's nfl with any success .
  16. TrailBlazer

    TrailBlazer Well-Known Member

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    When I see game film of the 60s and 70s they look slow and not as coordinated. Hard to think any of those players could translate into today's NFL with all the athletes. Not to take anything away from the great things players did in those eras. You can't compare players from different eras.The talent level is much higher now like in all sports.
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  17. Pessimist_cowboy

    Pessimist_cowboy Well-Known Member

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    I love aikman too but stop being such a homer bro ! Lol
  18. HappyOnions

    HappyOnions Datwin

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    It's just honestly how I feel...many sports writers and coaches called him the most accurate passer they had ever seen. The guy was #1 overall for a reason...I just don't think that he got to showcase his full talents as a passer.
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  19. RoyTheHammer

    RoyTheHammer Well-Known Member

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    Please, WPB.

    Coming from you.. this is nothing but humor.

    Cry about Eli's rings some more, bud.

    lol
  20. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    Im sure to a simple mind it is.

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