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Escobar and revising history...

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Verdict, Apr 29, 2013.

  1. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    Pats TE Aaron Hernandez is considered crazy quick, and yet he ran the same 40 as Witten, mid 4.6 (who many consider slow as molasses). 40 times are relative on a football field.
  2. ringmaster

    ringmaster Well-Known Member

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    :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
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  3. The Realist

    The Realist Active Member

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    If our TE's were Witten, Gonzalez, Gates, Gronk, Graham, and Hernandez Garrett would find a way to make all but the #1 complete scrubs.
  4. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    Don't worry, they will draft another TE next year. It is habit for them now.
  5. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    From what I've seen he does "play fast" in a manner similar to Michael Irvin. Irvin didn't have a good forty, but had great acceleration out of his breaks.

    Back in High School I was into racing cars. I had this friend that had put a bunch of time and money into his engine, but his car had a really high gear ratio (low numerically). He couldn't beat me or most other people in the quarter mile from a dead-stop; however, if he could get somebody to race him while both were rolling along at 20 mph, he was unbeatable.

    Most receivers and especially TEs don't blast off the line as fast as possible. They're basically in a fast jog initially and then accelerate to max speed when they make their break.
  6. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    I'm playing a little bit of devil's advocate here. I think our scouting department and the organization as a whole have done a better job over the past two drafts (plus this draft, hopefully). They seem to have a purpose in mind when targeting a player (Dez and Lee come to mind specificallly).

    I'm neither a Jerry appologist, nor a Jerry basher. I think he is an asset and a liability at the same time as a GM and I would venture to say that every GM is much the same in that regard.

    They obviously really liked Escobar, and that is good enough for me for the time being. I am hoping he turns out to be exactly what they think he will be.

    The two reservations I have about this pick are his slow 40 time (which is indicative but not outcome determinative) and Garrett's past history of failing to properly get all he can get out of what he has. Hanna was probably at least adequate as a receiving tight end.

    If Escobar merely passes Hanna on the depth chart then we haven't really gained much from the pick. This pick only makes sense if we use a 3 tight end set on a semi frequent (and successful) basis, OR the Cowboys plan on cutting Witten sometime soon for cap reasons, and I personally don't think the latter is in the cards anytime soon.

    I get the fact that Escobar is Octoman and catches everything in the vicinity, which may be an advantage over Hanna, but Hanna is arguably three tenths (plus) of a second faster which is significant. To put this in perspective, a guy who is three tenths of a second faster than Hanna would likely the the fastest player in the NFL.
  7. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    I hope this turns out to be the case. Irvin was also the mater of the "push off" to gain separation from the defensive back. It is debatable if Irvin would have the same degree of success in today's NFL which does not allow offensive players to blatantly push off like he did at times. But a relatively slow guy like Jerry Rice would probably still be highly successful because he got open in a different manner. Hopefully, "Octoman" has a little bit of Jerry Rice in him.
  8. HoosierCowboy

    HoosierCowboy Put Pearson in the HOF

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    really, how often does anyone run 40 yards in a straight line in a game?
  9. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    coming out of college, Witten was running a 4.65. That's pretty fast for a TE. However, if you look at Witten on tape, no one would ever accuse him of "playing fast." He's almost plodding.

    What he does do is run precise routes and make amazingly quick and smart adjustments to them in response to the coverage.

    Given his 40 time, you'd think he'd be outrunning people but that isn't his game.
  10. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Witten is not a speed demon but knows how to get open. Really not worried about Escobar speed bottom line can you get open? can you make the catch?
  11. morasp

    morasp Well-Known Member

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    I wonder who is the fastest guy we drafted?
  12. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    My guess would be Webb since he has been compared to Pac Man Jones. :) But I haven't researched 40 times.
  13. Macnalty

    Macnalty Well-Known Member

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    You guys are missing the point on Escobar, it is all about his hands and his size, if the ball is close to him he takes it and he makes it look easy. I think a good analogy is A Boldin speed(pretty sure they are about the same), Gronks body, and Dez's hands. He is a better ball catcher than both Eifert and Ertz, not even close, they were drafted ahead of Gavin. I will say there was another TE that was equally talented and his name was Kelce, he went to the Bengals. RS12, Walker, and some others all wrote about the TE back in Jan/Feb and we thought the boys could not afford to sacrifice an early pick on a TE if one of the premier Olineman were available at 18. We were not able to see that they would go that early and skew the hierarchy of the positions. IMO if Escobar ran a 4.6 at the combine he would of gone in RD 1. We are only discussing him now because of the poor forty time in Indy.
  14. AsthmaField

    AsthmaField Outta bounds

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    This for sure, and he almost went round 1 anyway (Miami had serious discussions about trading back into round 1 for him).
  15. Angus

    Angus Active Member

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    Angus Active Member

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  17. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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  18. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    Someone doesn't understand the difference between track speed and football speed.

    Explain to me how Jerry Rice ran away from most defensive backs his entire career.
  19. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    Its not that we don't understand that there can be a difference between the two, it just remains to be seen if Escobar has it or not.

    I heard the same thing about Victor Butler too and how his pedestrian 40 time didn't matter, but it turns out it did.
  20. Kristen82

    Kristen82 Benched

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    Especially in the slot or end zone.

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