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  1. McLovin

    McLovin Well-Known Member

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    He started w quincy carter. Garrett started w Romo. Making the playoffs in playoffs that first year was perhaps the coaching job of the millennium.

    They scrambled for a QB in yr 2 due to QC drug issue that summer. That was the only year without a winning record
  2. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Golly, I sure would take that kind of luck over the outright skill Jerry Jones has shown without him taking Gavin Escobar a full round earlier.
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  3. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    Please stop.
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  4. ChldsPlay

    ChldsPlay Well-Known Member

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    There certainly is no comparison between Parcells and Garrett as coaches. Garrett is worse than Campo IMO.
  5. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

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    These mailbags always elicit the same response from me.

    [IMG]
  6. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    It's almost hard to believe that people can buy into it even just a little bit.
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  7. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    Let's see if the facts back up your implication that Parcells was solely responsible for our impressive talent acquisition during that time.

    Of our infamous 13 Pro Bowlers after the 2007 season...

    Pro Bowlers acquired while Parcells was on-hand that Parcells wanted: Tony Romo, Jason Witten, Marion Barber, Terence Newman

    Pro Bowlers acquired while Parcells was on-hand that Parcells DID NOT want: Terrell Owens, DeMarcus Ware

    Pro Bowlers acquired either pre-Parcells or post-Parcells: Flozell Adams, Leonard Davis, Andre Gurode, Greg Ellis, Ken Hamlin, Roy Williams, Nick Folk


    Final tally: 6 Pro Bowlers acquired during Parcells' tenure (2 of which he didn't even want), 7 Pro Bowlers acquired independently of Parcells.
  8. CooterBrown

    CooterBrown Well-Known Member

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    Parcells was not a talent-acquisition guy, despite what he thought. Parcells was a talent maximizer. He got more out of less than almost any coach I've seen. The problem Parcells always had is that he knew his players' limitations, so he didn't trust them to play well, and that caused him to be too conservative in his game planning and game management.
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  9. Dodger12

    Dodger12 Well-Known Member

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    No love for Miles Austin, Jay Ratliff or Jason Hatcher? And you don't believe that Parcells turned around Adams, Gurode and Ellis? You can argue that BP rejuvenated their careers.
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  10. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    I was only referring to our 13 Pro Bowlers that year and we were only talking about talent acquisition.
  11. McLovin

    McLovin Well-Known Member

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    Pro bowlers voted by the public?
  12. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    Fan votes only count for 1/3 of the final tally but you're right. I should've broken down all 53 players on that year's roster and shattered the CZ record for longest post. What was I thinking?
  13. Dodger12

    Dodger12 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you regarding the Pro Bowl and while it may not be an end all to evaluate your talent, I think it's a good start and a decent indicator. One can argue that it's partly a popularity contest but the bigger point the Pro Bowl makes, in my opinion, is that you have a highly rated player at that position.

    Where I disagree with you is throwing Adams, Davis, Gurode, Hamlin and Ellis on that list. When Parcells arrived, Adams and Gurode were on their way out and Ellis, while solid, was an underachiever who hadn't lived up to expectations for a #8 pick. He had a sort of renaissance when BP convinced him to switch to LB and all we heard was Ellis whining about the move. Adams was on his way out but BP wanted Adams signed/extended because left tackles didn't grow on trees. If BP wasn't hired, Adams wouldn't have been re-signed and he would have earned his multiple Pro-Bowl with another team.

    I'd buy your argument even more if your list contained players identified in the lower rounds or UFA such as Austin, Romo, Hatcher, Ratlif, etc. Using 2 top 10 picks, two high priced Free Agents and a kicker to prove Jerry's talent evaluation skills is hardly a ringing endorsement for Jerry.
  14. cml750

    cml750 Well-Known Member

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    Sigh..... If only the Cowboys had hired a real coach in 2007??? What a waste of talent!!! What could have been????:mad:

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