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ESPN: DeMarcus Ware to have surgery

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Reality, Feb 11, 2014.

  1. Nirvana

    Nirvana Well-Known Member

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    A compromise I hope we at least achieve is a new contract that lowers his cap number this season and that has incentives to reach 12 million, rather than guarantees it. Sack totals and games played would be two incentives I'd like to see in the contract. If he gets less than 10 sacks, for example, then he would get considerably less money. This way Ware is not necessarily taking a pay cut, and gives him extra motivation to get and stay healthy.
  2. Zimmy Lives

    Zimmy Lives Well-Known Member

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    This. I get the feeling that past performance gives them a sense of entitlement; whether they perform well and earn their present salary seems irrelevant.
  3. LatinMind

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    If Dallas cuts him before at the start of the new league yr Dallas wouldnt owe Ware nothing in 2015. The difference between cutting Ware at the start of the league yr as opposed to restructuring Ware is 1 million dollars. Meaning Dallas would have around 1 million less this yr to spend.

    So you restructure ware you gain alot of room.
    You cut Ware you have 1 million less this yr, but you free up something like 14 mil in 2015.
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  4. Nirvana

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    Ok, so let's say you are a coach on the Cowboys and know you have one year left on your contract. It's results or else. There is not a coach on the team that will lobby to cut Ware. Jerry and Stephen love Ware and he has earned his money over the years for the most part, a future Hall of Famer and Ring of Honor guy who will get his number retired. Add all this up, and he'll be back next season one way or the other.
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  5. LatinMind

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    I actually think theres something behind the scenes. This surgery announcement came out of nowhere. Maybe the Cowboys told him take a pay cut or we might have to weigh our options. Ware might be thinking he needs to get this fixed to be able to pass a teams physical
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  6. Corso

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    [quote="CyberB0b, post: 5445541, member: 34412"}It's not like OTAs start tomorrow. Him delaying the surgery a week isn't going to effect his playing time 7 months from now. For all you know, they were waiting for some swelling to go down before they decide to cut him open.[/quote]

    Then he would have said so.
    I would have said so, so people understand. So Jerry understands.
    He said many other things on the subject so he's not keeping the situation private any longer...
    Why wouldn't say so?
  7. Redball Express

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    dont think this will happen.

    These STARS like Ware thinks hes worth .5 mil a sack.

    They are not like Doug Free..
  8. Nirvana

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    Hot off the press:

    On Tuesday, Ware said there haven’t been any talks about either option yet but that he knows reaching some kind of agreement is needed for the Cowboys to build the best roster possible.

    “We need guys here to be on the team for next season to help me out, to help us out, so sometimes you can’t think about a whole bunch of money and then not have anybody there,” Ware said, via Todd Archer of ESPNDallas.com. “You need somebody there by your side, a defensive tackle, a defensive end, a wide receiver. You need to figure it out because the time is now. We need to win. That’s what I get out of playing. I play hurt, bruised up. Some guys don’t play, but I still get out there and play because I don’t care about anything else.”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/12/no-contract-talks-for-demarcus-ware-and-cowboys-yet/
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  9. LatinMind

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    Then its time to think about the team. Take the pay cut.
  10. Nirvana

    Nirvana Well-Known Member

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    Interestingly, his statement here implies he is willing to do that. This is great news.
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  11. Nirvana

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    More articles on Ware today. Another good quote:

    Ware’s seven straight seasons with at least 11 sacks have people always expecting more. That’s fair. He expects more. The Cowboys expect more.

    But back to the sound of Ware’s voice. Not that he has lacked motivation, but he sounded like a guy ready to prove people wrong; that he is not done and age is not catching up to him. The Cowboys have to weigh whether 2013 was the end or just a down year.

    The nightmare would be to see Ware in another uniform in 2014 and returning to Pro Bowl form with a season filled with sacks.

    “People are going to doubt you regardless,” Ware said. “Let’s say you had a 20-sack season, it’s ‘Can he do it again?’ One year you had 19 sacks. Can you do it again? One year you had 15 sacks. Can you do it again? It’s going to be that every year. I’m going to be healthy. I’m going to shut my mouth and be quiet and let my work on the field characterize who I am. I’m not going to sit here and talk about what I’m going to do. I’m going behind the scenes and do what I need to do and get the job done, and at the end of the day there’s going to be a bandwagon everybody needs to jump back on.”

    http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4724395/demarcus-ware-more-motivated-than-ever
  12. Bullflop

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    Ware should be willing to face the reality that he's been seriously overpaid for the production he's been able to offer for the past two years. If Doug Free can take a salary cut, Ware should rightfully be no exception. Holding his team hostage because of their plight on defense isn't symptomatic of someone who has his team's best interest at heart. While it's admirable that he saw fit to play hurt, the reality is that doing so isn't worth the cost.
  13. LatinMind

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    It implies he knows the cap situation and knows he can help the cap by lowering his cap hit. Restructuring without losing any of his money. He's not thinking about a paycut but a restructure.
  14. Reality

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    Ware only had 6 sacks last season, but the sacks are not what I'm concerned about. In games where the Cowboys needed a stop on third down, a single blocker kept him from getting pressure on the quarterback, which is his primary job on passing plays. I would take a lot of quarterback pressures and 8-10 sacks from him at this point in his career over fewer pressures and 20 sacks.
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  15. jterrell

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    You don't free up 14m in 2015 because you were never eating 14m for him in 2015. He only currently has 5m in dead money for 2015.
    That will rise after a restructure of any sort. But by next year you can (hopefully) look at June 1st options.

    But yes you pay 1m more to lose him than to keep him this year if handled in March.

    This year you hopefully restructure him down with a pay decrease of about 3m. OR you may have to simply restructure him as is.
    You keep him one season and let him play what is essentially a contract year and see what you can get out of him then.
    A second year of single digit sacks would wreck his open market value.
    And he'd hit free agency at an advanced age for a pass rusher.
  16. Corso

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    That would be terrific.
  17. LatinMind

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    if you look at over the cap if you just cut ware. you go from 4.4 mil over the cap to 13 mil under the cap. So thats actually more than 14 mil.
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  18. Nirvana

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    Actually, he said he can't be thinking about a bunch of money when the team has a need to sign other players as well. If he restructured only, he gets a bunch of money up front by way of signing bonus, and no less than before. So it implies more than just being willing to restructure.
  19. LatinMind

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    Lol Ware has already said he's not taking a paycut. Where are you reading he said he is?
  20. jterrell

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    Dallas actually tracked highest amongst pressure at WDE and also in adjusted line yards allowed. (tho both slightly below league average)
    Ware was actually their highest rated pressure player.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl

    Advanced NFL stats show Ware was actually the 14th highest rated DE on a per game basis in the league.
    http://wp.advancednflstats.com/defenderstats.php?pos=DE

    Keep in mind these are historical lows for Ware who was clearly fighting through multiple injuries.

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