Espn: Pat Forde: NFL littered with cautionary combine tales

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    NFL littered with cautionary combine tales

    By Pat Forde

    INDIANAPOLIS -- The monstrous young man walked into the media room at the Indianapolis Convention Center wearing a gray sweatshirt that said "OL45" on the chest.

    When OL45 showed up, reporters got excited. They stampeded behind him to the podium.

    In response to the first question, OL45 dispensed the following vital information:

    Height: 6-6½.

    Weight: 311 pounds.

    Hand size: 10 1/8 inches.

    Arm length: 33 1/4 inches.

    Welcome to the NFL scouting combine, where every eighth of an inch and every hundredth of a second count.

    Way too much sometimes.

    For the record, OL45 was Joe Thomas of Wisconsin, considered the best offensive lineman in the 2007 draft. He's widely expected to be among the top three players picked. You can canvass a room full of scouts, GMs and draft analysts and be hard-pressed to find someone doubting Thomas.


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    Robert Gallery, the No. 2 overall pick by the Raiders in the 2004 draft, has been a disappointment.

    Of course, the last time a Big Ten tackle swaggered into the combine with this big a rep, it was 2004. His name was Robert Gallery, out of Iowa.

    "Gallery ... is the most foolproof pick in this year's draft," declared The Sporting News.

    Three years later, after an array of defensive ends have blown past Gallery and pulverized a variety of Oakland Raiders quarterbacks, nobody is calling Gallery foolproof. "Bust" is the more common term.

    Gallery is instead proof of the foolish notion that a fast 40-yard dash and a monster day at the bench press are the tickets to success in the NFL.

    Back in '04, Gallery dazzled everyone by running a 4.95-second 40 at the combine. At 6-7 and 325 pounds, this qualified him as a bona fide freak.

    Too bad he can't play.

    "I think we're different players," Thomas said when the G-word came up Thursday. "I think I'm very technically sound. ... I think I have great work ethic, and I really study hard."

    Those would be three important elements in a successful pro football player. And they won't be worth a damn here at the combine, where it's all about "measurables."

    Texas' Justin Blalock started 51 games for the Longhorns and routinely opened holes. Yet at 6-3, there is a strong belief that he's too short to play tackle and might have to switch to guard.

    "I realize they like certain attributes for a reason," Blalock said. "I'll let the game tape speak for itself."

    Hopefully somebody is listening when the tape is talking.

    The measurables have become so important that a cottage industry has grown up around them: Players are packed off by their agents to special camps to work on improving their times in combine drills and reps in the bench press. Arizona apparently has been full of draft prospects who have spent the winter with strength and agility coaches.

    This is like taking a course to improve your SAT score while not doing a thing to actually prepare yourself to succeed in college.

    "I see a lot of guys who do that," said Thomas, who stayed in Madison to prepare for the combine. "They lose focus on what they're doing in the offseason, which is preparing for an NFL season, as opposed to training to run a fast 40 time."

    I understand that you cannot be slow and weak and small and play in the NFL. I understand that the "prototype" for certain positions is based on players who have excelled there. But the size-and-speed snobs who make or break many careers have a bad habit of discriminating against a lot of good players just because they don't fit their prototype.

    Jerry Rice would be too slow to star in the NFL by combine standards. Ran a 4.6.

    Drew Brees? Too short.

    Vince Young? Too dumb, according to the Wonderlic. But not too dumb to be NFL Rookie of the Year.

    Meanwhile, the size-and-speed snobs couldn't get enough of Tony Mandarich (No. 2 overall pick in 1989), Dan "Big Daddy" Wilkinson (No. 1 pick in 1994) and the ultimate combine baby, Mike Mamula (No. 7 in 1995). Honk if you see any of those guys in Canton anytime soon.

    "I am my height, and I am my current weight. I think there's a lot to be said for how you play as opposed to how you look."
    Ryan Harris, former Notre Dame OT on questions about his lack of size

    Last year, DeMeco Ryans was the sixth linebacker drafted, taken in the second round by the Houston Texans. He was considered a tick slow in the 40 (4.65) and maybe a tad shorter than ideal (6-1). Ryans was the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year -- not Houston's No. 1 overall pick Mario Williams (whose measurables were gorgeous, by the way).

    Defensive end Elvis Dumervil was busted down to the fourth round despite phenomenal pass-rush productivity at Louisville. The reason? Too short to play defensive end at a shade under 6 feet tall. Some said the only place he could play was inside linebacker.

    Dumervil made short people everywhere proud by recording 8½ sacks in '06 for the Denver Broncos.

    Only three players were drafted later last year than wide receiver Marques Colston, who went in the seventh round to the Saints. Colston was considered by some to be a tweener -- not big enough to play tight end, too slow to play wideout -- and he didn't run a top-five time among wide receivers in the 40, the vital three-cone drill or the irreplaceable short shuttle at last year's combine.

    Meanwhile, Chad Jackson (second round), Derek Hagan (third round), Skyler Green (fourth), Mike Hass (sixth), Devin Aromashodu (seventh) and David Anderson (seventh) were drafted before Colston. All ran faster than he did in the above drills.

    Those six combined to make 35 catches as NFL rookies. Colston, whose name stayed on the board until pick No. 252, had 70 catches -- despite missing a couple of games with an ankle injury.

    With all that in mind, it was interesting listening to the offensive linemen report their height and weight (Thursday was lineman day at the combine), then wait for the nitpicking to begin.

    One reporter eyed Notre Dame offensive tackle Ryan Harris (6-4½, 305) skeptically and wondered whether he was big enough to be an NFL tackle. I loved Harris' answer.

    "I can't say anything about that," Harris said. "I am my height, and I am my current weight. I think there's a lot to be said for how you play as opposed to how you look."

    Pat Forde is a senior writer for He can be reached at
  2. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    Ryan Harris STANK it up this year- and this is from a big Irish fan. AVOID HIM.
  3. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    i know not about Harris...but I kind of agree with what he said.

    Why do these teams neglect the game film from their college careers....

    Why does a guy get props for kicking butt in an all-star game? I mean, we don't give the NFLers props for kicking butt in the pro is basically an exhibition game.

    I think the combine is important and should be used as a tool to measure the mental and physical stress a player can deal with in a short amount of time, without breaking down. However, it should not be rated at a greater value than the 3-4 years worth of games played (NO MATTER THE LEVEL OF COLLEGE BALL YOU PLAY)
  4. jay cee

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    Great points Biggems. I can somewhat see missing on guys like jerry Rice and Colston a little because they did not play against top level competition so they can be a little hard to grade.

    But guys like Demeco Ryans who are studs in tough conferences, I wouldn't be so quick to discount them over combine results.
  5. Muhast

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    Like Ditka said "measurements are nice, but watching a guy play football is the best way to determine how a guy plays. 40 times and bench press dont show you what a guy can do on a football field"
  6. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Well that's not exactly fair. Jackson was injured early on and Green was drafted as a kick return specialist. However, I agree that Colston shouldn't have lasted to the 7th.
  7. Muhast

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    Why did he leave out S.Moss, S.Holmes and the other wr's drafted? im pretty sure they all had better measureables than Colston

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