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ESPN's Adam Schefter : Chance Warmack could be in for a draft-day mini-slide

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by johnnyd, Apr 5, 2013.

  1. ChldsPlay

    ChldsPlay Well-Known Member

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    Because we wouldn't want someone to already have an advantage getting low would we?
  2. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    on averge, the shorter you are, the less muscle you can carry before you're just fat.

    Most elite guards are 6'4 with a few being 6'5. After that you get a couple that are 6'3. You have to go back a bit to find a pro bowl or all pro guard who is 6'2 or shorter.
  3. Oh_Canada

    Oh_Canada Well-Known Member

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    Wow-another over hyped guard falling in the draft-who knew????
  4. Fredd

    Fredd Well-Known Member

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    hype, over-hype...whatever, unless someone like Johnson, Cooper or Lotulelei is there, Warmack has to be the pick
  5. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    I value Mike Mayock's opinion on the subject of the draft and he likes Warmack as the best prospect overall.

    Good enough for me.

    If he's there, I take him.

    Fix this horrid offensive line!
  6. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    yeah height is so important.

    Cue Mike Singletary. because that one inch is just so important. Gil Brandt said it was one of the biggest mistakes they made not drafting singletary because he was an inch shorter then what the Boys thought was the minimum height to be successful at LB in the NFL.
  7. TheFinisher

    TheFinisher Well-Known Member

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    Warmack is 6'2 but has a 35" reach.

    Wingspan > Height, especially for interior lineman. The reasoning is simple... Defensive lineman don't jump over OLmen, they try and get around them.
  8. ghst187

    ghst187 Well-Known Member

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    i tend to think one of the Gs will still be there at 18, probably Warmack. I prefer Cooper but am okay with Warmack and I think regardless of how the first round goes, we are sorely remiss to not walk away with a starter on the OL, even if we our top targets are gone and we had to trade down and take the T from Florida State.
  9. TheSport78

    TheSport78 The Excellence of Execution

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    Hate to say this but I have a feeling they would take Vaccaro over Warmack.
  10. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    Please let Warmack slide. PLEASE!
  11. Dash28

    Dash28 Felis silvestris catus

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    Agreed.

    It wouldn't shock me if we passed on him but it would be a huge mistake IMO.
  12. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    I do, too. I'd be thrilled with Warmack at 18. And more than his ability, I'd love to add a player with his attitude to this OL.
  13. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Agree. I have zero concern about his height, especially considering his arm length.

    I do have concerns about these measureables:

    40 Yrd Dash: 5.49
    10 Yrd Dash: 1.90
    20 Yrd Shuttle: 5.01
  14. 1LoyalCowboyFan

    1LoyalCowboyFan Active Member Zone Supporter

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    As long as one's available preferably cooper ill be happy. I miss effective screens and he can't get out there fast enough :(
  15. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    The concerns you have, should all go away if you watch him in a game. And stop basing everything on running in tights. yes he wont be as effective in a pull out as he would be going right at somebody and putting them into the turf. Besides most of Murrays rushing outside are him cutting it outside or nothing inside bounced outside. Dallas running game is simple as it can get. Hit the hole and get upfield.
  16. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    never said it was the end all be all, but how many times has a player been correctly identified as too short to play a position? guys like Mike Singletary and Drew Brees are the exception, not the rule.
  17. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    I watched all the Alabama games in 2012. I've watched all of Warmack's snaps at least 10 times. I've seen him get beat in pass protection on a number of occasions and they don't even throw the ball that much.

    His blocking on runs to the outside is often downright ugly.

    He didn't dominate defensive linemen nearly as much as advertised. The big DL from Tennessee drove him straight back into the QB similar to what often happened to the Cowboys Olinemen.

    Most of his domination is when he blocks Linebackers that he can reach within a few yards in front of him.

    I sure that he will be a decent NFL Guard; however, he has limitations and will not be a good fit in all blocking schemes.
  18. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    Sorry but every person who is paid to do this disagrees with you. Sure some of his technique can be ugly sometimes. Cause he's a mauler. He's the type of guy who you want int he middle of the OL. Doing the dirty work. Guards arent supposed to make it look pretty, Seems like anybody Bama OL you have the same answer to. You say the exact same thing about Fluker. Its amazing that team did anything with all the lackluster blocking technique you seem to think they have,
  19. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    I know you are a Cooper fan over Warmack. I watched a couple of games of NC football just to see Cooper. He can pull and move better than Warmack. Cooper can not get the movement at the LOS like Warmack. I have said before that the most important trait that would improve the Cowboys line is the ability to get a push up front. At the present time, they don't have an interior lineman that can line up and blow his man off the line. The can draft Cooper and they will still have this weakness. Before someone chimes in with Cooper's bench press numbers, I will say that the bench doesn't translate to drive blocking. I am tired of Dallas not being able to punch the ball in from the two yard line or having to pass on a third down with one yard to go. As I have mentioned before, Cooper can add some bulk and maintain his quickness according to Gil Brandt. That leaves open the possibilty that he could improve his drive blocking to Warmack's level.
  20. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    We don't know the opinion of guys that get paid to be correct in their scouting reports, Pro Scouts. We only know the opinion of guys that get paid to create hype around the draft like Kiper and other media guys. Kiper gets paid to entertain.

    If you go by the reviews of Tim Tebow now that he has been in the NFL and didn't know anything about his college career, you would be surprised that he ever got off the bench in college. Success in college does not translate directly to the NFL.

    Alabama's ability to run over college teams with their running game does not translate directly to the modern NFL and Pro Style passing game.

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