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Evidence as to why the death penalty should never be used

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by CanadianCowboysFan, Aug 28, 2007.

  1. CanadianCowboysFan

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  2. zrinkill

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    Nice link .....
  3. Rackat

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    Yup, those 404's keep people from killing each other.
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  5. Aikbach

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    The world is a messed up and dare I say fallen place, human justice is imperfect but to wield the sword is at times necessary.

    The death penalty suits many a crime just dandy, emergency rooms kill people with prescription overdoses and wrong diagnosis, I guess we should get rid of those as well because mistakes have been made.

    Civilians and friendly fire have been casualties of every war, that isn't to be callous but real, hippies can protest combat and say war is hell, this we all know and it is why we don't call them picnics but there is a time to fight.

    It is a lesser burden on the prison system and tax dollar to execute a murderer or rapist than to incarcerate them for life, I know in socialist Canada that may seem like a fantasy, "tax burden", but outside of your utopia that the world is just biting at the bit to mimic (sarcasm) there is a pervading thought of personal independence and the American Experiment was founded on such principles which include accountability for one's actions.

    Live by the sword and rightfully die by it as well.
  6. CanadianCowboysFan

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  7. CanadianCowboysFan

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    Actually it costs more in the US to execute someone given the number of appeals etc than it would to keep the said person in prison for his/her life.

    As for your comment about accountability for one's actions, problem with the argument is that in this case, the guy DIDN'T kill anyone so how could executing him make him accountable for his actions?
  8. Aikbach

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    Not so, that is a misnomer, in the state of Texas it is of proven efficiency to execute a dangerous criminal to society, recent laws have pulled back the nonsensical red tape of bureaucracy to allow justice to flow better, no longer will a man sit for 15 or 20 years waiting to die, what you saw happen to Timothy McVeigh is the norm and the likes of men such as him are 99.9 times out of 100 gonna be who are sentenced to die by capital punishment.

    One error made by the Canadian legal system does not discredit international use of the death penalty.

    States rights are also an issue in this nation, the states can decide whether or not abolish such punishments and the federal government would be infringing upon the peoples of the states by mandating otherwise.

    I used to live in Malaysia, they hang people for drug possession, one strike and you're out, may seem harsh but it is the law of the land and to be obeyed. Needless to say drug use is low in Malaysia.

    I'm not advocating vigilantism, justice at times demands the sword that government is to yield with authority for sake of the common protection of life and property.

    It is unfortunate that men die seemingly before their time and we must do what we can to ensure that genuine justice is served, but the error of humanity that is in all our judgments makes that impossible and so we must be vigilant to right wrongs and correct them when they occur. But throwing out the baby with the bath water I never advise.

    I repeat my stance and the law of the land in the United States, live by the sword and thus die by it.
  9. burmafrd

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    The chances that a truly innocent person will be executed in the US is just about zero. Certainly its possible, but it gets less and less likely as DNA and other forensic science gets better and better. Its notable that for all their crying and moaning, the Death Penalty opponents have been UNABLE to show that any innocent person has been executed since the penalty came back in 1977. That canadian example was 48 years old- only someone with a ridiculous agenda would try and make something of that.
  10. CanadianCowboysFan

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    how death penalty advocates been able to show that an innocent person was not executed? Once someone has been executed, most are not going to try to show he/she was innocent. Hell, it is probably impossible to show he/she was innocent.

    Not all murder cases are DNA cases, if you shoot someone from a distance, no DNA. You seem to think all cases are like CSI where there is DNA evidence. Hardly the case.
  11. burmafrd

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    You are sadly uninformed. The anti death penalty groups have gone over many executed felons records desperately trying to prove that an innoncent person has been executed. they have failed.
  12. Crown Royal

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    I'm not going to take a stand on this issue in this thread, and I hope that this comment won't make anyone think I have done so. I will only say that I am a Kantian ethically.

    However, in response to the cost-effectiveness argument (that it is cheaper to assign a life sentence) - whether the death penalty is just or not is the argument. That is an indictment on whether justice should be cost effective - I don't think it has to be. It's two different topics, as far as I am concerned.
  13. CanadianCowboysFan

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    So you think it is up to people to prove innocence? Interesting concept. Going over records will not show anything, you know it as well as I do. In any event, I said most, not all.

    You just like killing people (although I suspect you wouldn't be able to pull the lever if you were given the chance).

    One thing I find funny though is that when right wingers as yourself talk about the justice system, justice is only served when someone is found guilty because well they have to be guilty, they were charged. You then rail against the system when someone is found not guilty as being the lawyers' fault, etc

    If the system works for one side, doesn't it work for both?
  14. CanadianCowboysFan

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    Why not take a stand? We won't hold it against you.
  15. burmafrd

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    What I find pathetic about liberals is their willingness to let the convicted go free early so that they can victimize more people. Also their total disinterest in the victims.
    Those convicted and on death row were put there by a jury. So what is YOUR problem canadian- like its any of your business anyway.
  16. Crown Royal

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    Because I haven't completely taken a stand myself. I lean toward one way, but there are compelling arguments to both. I don't care if anyone wants to hold it against me or not, but the issue isn't something I feel strongly enough about to try to take a stand and defend it.

    Let me rephrase that - the issue is important. But I don't yet have a stand that I am prepared to defend.
  17. CanadianCowboysFan

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    Are you trying to imply that issues regarding killing other members of my species should not be my business?

    Better 10 guilty go free than one innocent be convicted.

    Since you state the people on death row were put there by a jury (the implication being it is fair) I assume then you agree with the Simpson acquittal because it was a jury that acquitted him.
  18. CanadianCowboysFan

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    That's fair.
  19. burmafrd

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    So concord wants 10 child molestors to go free so that they can molest more innocent children. Or 10 rapists. Or 10 murderers. I hope those victims agree with you.
  20. CanadianCowboysFan

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    Yeah that is exactly what I want :rolleyes:

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