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FA signing w/mock BPA draft

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by LatinMind, Mar 2, 2014.

  1. LatinMind

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    Dallas reaches terms with Ware on a paycut.
    Dallas tenders Chris Jones

    Dallas releases
    Martez Wilson
    Frank Kearse
    Cesar Rayford
    Justin Durant
    Orie Lemon
    Matt Johnson
    Jeremy Parnell
    Jakar Hamilton

    Freeagents

    DT Henry Melton: Product of Marinelli, 3tech who wants to be a Dallas Cowboy. Coming off an injury but is said by the Bears to be on track to be ready for the OTAs. And has that arrest. Might be one of them guys who gets a lower contract then one would expect because of this. 4 yrs type of deal.

    Charles Tillman: I think he could hold some value as a FS for Dallas. I know people think it doesnt happen but there are alot of older CBs who lengthen their careers a few yrs making this switch. He knows Marinelli's system and makes plays. Older player that would get a cheaper deal. 1 yr deal wouldnt be a bad idea for a player who could help bring Wilcox or Heath along. Tillman has always been viewed as one of the smartest DBs in the NFL.

    Ryan Cook: Yes i can see Dallas bring him back, nice backup type of guy who will come fairly cheap.

    Jarius Wynn: i can see another 1 yr deal for a guy who had some production in limited time.

    Draft

    RD1
    Zack Martin OG.OT Notre Dame
    A player that can play 4 spots on the OL. I'd have him play RT. Allowing Free to be that swing T. Martin would solidify a up and coming OL for years to come. Has great footwork, something Free has never had. Plays with great form and if theres a injury inside can roll inside and Free can play RT. Drafting Martin solves a whole lot of problems.

    RD2
    Telvin Smith LB Florida State
    This pick allows Dallas to move Bruce Carter to the SAM. Smith would naturally have to gain some weight, and theres no reason to think he couldnt go up to 225. Smith is like having another S playing LBer. Dallas' has said the most important thing theyre looking for in players is speed. And Smith has it.

    RD3 Dallas trades Doug Free to NO for their RD5 pick
    Kareem Martin DE North Carolina
    Can rotate with Selvie and provide Ware with rest during games. Develop for the yr and take over for Selvie or Ware. whoever isnt in Dallas in 2015. Probably would be better rushing from the weakside.

    RD4
    Martavis Bryant WR Clemson
    Tall, Speedy WR who needs to develop a better grasp of the route running tree. Can be that 4th WR and that guy to come in and stretch the field. Can play the outside if an injury occurs to Dez or TW.

    RD5
    Ed Stinson DT Alabama
    Guy who can play both 3 and 1 tech in Marinellis system. Good guy to draft for a rotation. Needs to work on getting off blocks but has a whole lot of talent for Marinelli to work with.

    RD5(NO)
    Chris Davis DB Auburn
    CB who can play outside with his ability and the slot with his physical play on them pick plays offenses run. Can even turn into a FS if they needed him to. And is a returner, this would be a pick that can fill alot of needs.

    RD6 Dallas trade RD7 pick they got from KC and their own RD7 to move up
    Brent Urban guy who played the 3-4 DE but has some passrush to fill the rotation Dallas wants to play. Another 1tech who can hold up against the run and get some passrush too.

    RD6(COMP)
    Kadeem Edwards G Tenn State
    G who need time to adjust to the big jump from a small school to NFL talent. But he showed in the SR that he could handle jump in talent. Hard work and he could be starting in a yr or 2.

    RD7(CHI)
    Ben Gardner DE Stanford
    Can play inside too, but his place is on the strongside DE. Very strong and smart. Knows where the ball is and where the QB is. Not the fastest guy n the field, but he just never stops moving. Straight hustle guy.

    RD7(COMP)
    Kevin Pierre-Lewis LB Boston College
    Quick LBer who can turn into really nice depth, and right from go, can be a force on special teams.

    RD7(COMP)
    Donald Hawkins T Texas
    Tackle who has good footwork, probably starts the yr on PS and Weems plays the swing.

    RD7(COMP)
    Jonathon Harrison C Florida
    Can play all 3 interior spots. He's strong and quick at the point of attack. I think he will end up being more then a backup in a couple yrs.

    There you have it. And this is what the starting O/D would look like

    QB: Tony Romo
    RB: DeMarco Murray
    FB: Tyler Clutts
    WR: Dez Bryant
    WR: Terrence Williams
    TE: Jason Witten
    LT: Tyron Smith
    LG: Ron Leary
    C: Travis Fredrick
    RG: Mackenzey Bernadeau
    RT: Zack Martin

    SDE: George Selvie
    3TECH: Henry Melton
    1TECH: Tyrone Crawford
    WDE: Demarcus Ware
    SAM: Bruce Carter
    MIKE: Sean Lee
    WILL: Telvin Smith
    CB: Brandon Carr
    CB: Morris Claiborne
    FS: Charles Tillman
    SS: Barry Church
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  2. Fredd

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    I love Zack Martin, but I would likely put him at RG and keep Free out there (assuming Free isn't traded as you suggest); I also like where you are going with Tillman and Melton, both guys that can step into this defense (very limited learning curve);

    fyi, this is minor, but wasn't Lemon gone last year or did they bring him back?
  3. ghst187

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    I would take that offseason/draft scenario
    although I've seen several scenario posts on this board that presumes we sign someone like Melton….and I'd love that, but I'm not sure where they money is gonna come from to sign any one but a few backups…hopefully I'm way off
  4. LatinMind

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    With the jump in Salary cap Dallas would have somewhere around 12 mil to spend on FA with restructures to Romo, Witten, Lee, Scandrick and either Ware taking a paycut or being released. they will have 5.5 mil after June 1 with the impending Austin cut. And if they need it can get 6.7 mil
    more if they restructure Carr.

    They will have plenty of money to do what they need this offseason.
  5. Manwiththeplan

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    If all we're gonna get for Free is a late 5th, I'd hold him till next year. Give Martin a chance to establish himself before being hasty.
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  6. xwalker

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    Dallas releases
    Martez Wilson
    Frank Kearse
    Cesar Rayford
    Justin Durant
    Orie Lemon
    Matt Johnson
    Jeremy Parnell
    Jakar Hamilton
    Why? They have to bring 90 players to training camp. Parnell has shown that he can hold up playing in real NFL games. Weems was not good in preseason games. Weems would have to prove something in the preseason before they can get rid of both the starting RT and backup OT from last season. Guys like Jakar Hamilton don't even count against the cap in the off-season because they are below the top 51 contracts.

    Freeagents

    DT Henry Melton: Product of Marinelli, 3tech who wants to be a Dallas Cowboy. Coming off an injury but is said by the Bears to be on track to be ready for the OTAs. And has that arrest. Might be one of them guys who gets a lower contract then one would expect because of this. 4 yrs type of deal.
    Yes, 27 coming of an ACL is much better than 32 (Hatcher) with shoulder/neck issues.

    Charles Tillman: I think he could hold some value as a FS for Dallas. I know people think it doesnt happen but there are alot of older CBs who lengthen their careers a few yrs making this switch. He knows Marinelli's system and makes plays. Older player that would get a cheaper deal. 1 yr deal wouldnt be a bad idea for a player who could help bring Wilcox or Heath along. Tillman has always been viewed as one of the smartest DBs in the NFL.
    Yes, I've suggested this in other threads. It might not make sense on paper, but I have a feeling that he would add a lot to the mix because of his knowledge of the system. Most Head Coaches bring in some of their old players. Why not the D-Coordinator?

    One problem is that he recently said that he would not play Safety.

    Ryan Cook: Yes i can see Dallas bring him back, nice backup type of guy who will come fairly cheap.
    That guy is terrible and he has back issues. Bernadeau was good in the 2 games in 2012 when he played Center. He can be the backup OC but they need another Guard to compete with Bern for the starting OG position.

    Jarius Wynn: i can see another 1 yr deal for a guy who had some production in limited time.
    Yes, they are reported to want to re-sign him.

    Draft

    RD1
    Zack Martin OG.OT Notre Dame
    A player that can play 4 spots on the OL. I'd have him play RT. Allowing Free to be that swing T. Martin would solidify a up and coming OL for years to come. Has great footwork, something Free has never had. Plays with great form and if theres a injury inside can roll inside and Free can play RT. Drafting Martin solves a whole lot of problems.
    You're betting against the odds that Martin will be a quality NFL OT. He would have the smallest wingspan (narrow body and short arms) of any starting OT. If you draft him, I think you have to assume that he is a Guard with and outside chance that he can play OT.

    RD2
    Telvin Smith LB Florida State
    This pick allows Dallas to move Bruce Carter to the SAM. Smith would naturally have to gain some weight, and theres no reason to think he couldnt go up to 225. Smith is like having another S playing LBer. Dallas' has said the most important thing theyre looking for in players is speed. And Smith has it.
    Again, this is betting against the odds of a 218 pound LB being ready to play in the NFL. This is taking him at the very earliest of his expected range. It would be better to just wait and see if he is available in the 3rd.

    RD3 Dallas trades Doug Free to NO for their RD5 pick
    OK, I'm not a big fan of Free and I believe that Parnell could be at least as good as Free after a few starts.

    Kareem Martin DE North Carolina
    Can rotate with Selvie and provide Ware with rest during games. Develop for the yr and take over for Selvie or Ware. whoever isnt in Dallas in 2015. Probably would be better rushing from the weakside.
    OK, but I see him as a Strong Side DE. He had good numbers at the combine, but he does not show the elite quickness in game footage that I think Marinelli is looking for in a Weak Side DE.

    RD4
    Martavis Bryant WR Clemson
    Tall, Speedy WR who needs to develop a better grasp of the route running tree. Can be that 4th WR and that guy to come in and stretch the field. Can play the outside if an injury occurs to Dez or TW.
    Good pick, if available.

    RD5
    Ed Stinson DT Alabama
    Guy who can play both 3 and 1 tech in Marinellis system. Good guy to draft for a rotation. Needs to work on getting off blocks but has a whole lot of talent for Marinelli to work with.
    He is probably a safe bet to be a contributor to the rotation, but his upside appears limited. He reminds me of Jarius Wynn. I would prefer a higher upside guy like Calvin Barnett or Caraun Reid if he falls to this spot. I think you can get the Jarius Wynn or Ed Stinson types as low cost free agents.

    RD5(NO)
    Chris Davis DB Auburn
    CB who can play outside with his ability and the slot with his physical play on them pick plays offenses run. Can even turn into a FS if they needed him to. And is a returner, this would be a pick that can fill alot of needs.
    He would have to really really improve his tackling to be a Safety. At CB, they already have guys with limited length in Webb and Moore. I would like to see a longer type guy brought in to compete with them.

    RD6 Dallas trade RD7 pick they got from KC and their own RD7 to move up
    Brent Urban guy who played the 3-4 DE but has some passrush to fill the rotation Dallas wants to play. Another 1tech who can hold up against the run and get some passrush too.
    More powerful than you would expect for a 6'7 guy. I would expect a 3-4 team to take him earlier.

    RD6(COMP)
    Kadeem Edwards G Tenn State
    G who need time to adjust to the big jump from a small school to NFL talent. But he showed in the SR that he could handle jump in talent. Hard work and he could be starting in a yr or 2.
    I like this player.

    RD7(CHI)
    Ben Gardner DE Stanford
    Can play inside too, but his place is on the strongside DE. Very strong and smart. Knows where the ball is and where the QB is. Not the fastest guy n the field, but he just never stops moving. Straight hustle guy.
    I like this player, but I see his primary position as 3-tech DT. He is better using power/quickness to split the gaps and get into the backfield than he is at bending the corner as an outside pass rusher.

    RD7(COMP)
    Kevin Pierre-Lewis LB Boston College
    Quick LBer who can turn into really nice depth, and right from go, can be a force on special teams.
    You kind of doubling down on smallish LBs.

    RD7(COMP)
    Donald Hawkins T Texas
    Tackle who has good footwork, probably starts the yr on PS and Weems plays the swing.
    Looks good. I'm surprised he is ranked this low. He has power with decent quickness and was a big college starter.

    RD7(COMP)
    Jonathon Harrison C Florida
    Can play all 3 interior spots. He's strong and quick at the point of attack. I think he will end up being more then a backup in a couple yrs.
    Another guy that I can't figure out why he is ranking this low. Power and quick. Plays with a bit of an attitude.

    There you have it. And this is what the starting O/D would look like

    QB: Tony Romo
    RB: DeMarco Murray
    FB: Tyler Clutts
    WR: Dez Bryant
    WR: Terrence Williams
    TE: Jason Witten
    LT: Tyron Smith
    LG: Ron Leary
    C: Travis Fredrick
    RG: Mackenzey Bernadeau
    RT: Zack Martin

    SDE: George Selvie
    3TECH: Henry Melton
    1TECH: Tyrone Crawford
    WDE: Demarcus Ware
    SAM: Bruce Carter
    MIKE: Sean Lee
    WILL: Telvin Smith
    CB: Brandon Carr
    CB: Morris Claiborne
    FS: Charles Tillman
    SS: Barry Church
  7. LatinMind

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    People said the same thing about Pugh having small arms. And he's proving alot of people wrong because he plays with very good technique. Martin is a better athlete, stronger at the point of attack. Dallas plays that zone scheme where length isnt really the biggest asset. Its being able to occupy that space. A zone blocking scheme is built for players like Pugh and Martin.

    Derrick Brooks weighed i think it was 226 or 227 coming out of college. Smith is not going to get out of RD2.

    Martin can play either side. But i think we are going to see Selvie for more then just 2014. I dont think he will ever be a probowl player but he plays that run very good, and will give you a passrush.

    Davis just makes plays on the ball. He uses his hands way too much for the NFL, but if he's there in the 5th. Thats very good value for a guy who can do alot of things for you on DEF and ST. Dallas has to start getting guys like this on the team. Good role players.

    Gardner played inside and out. But you have to watch more then just his highlights. Most of his production comes from the strong side. But they can use him inside too. Again another one of these role players who can do alot of different things for the team.
  8. Picksix

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    Yes. With all the LB injuries, he was brought back for the last 2-3 games.
  9. CowboysYanksLakers

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    Martin would probably slide into the RG spot.
  10. LatinMind

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    Maybe for this yr if Free is on the team. But once Free is gone in 2015 Martin would slide out.
  11. jterrell

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    No offense but you made the roster worse not better. You cut 5 or 6 actual NFL players.
    Trading off a starter who rated 3rd int he NFL last by PFF at RT to replace him with a RT out of the draft in round 1 is silly.
    Zach Martin is not a better OT than Parnell right now.
    He might be as good and with a ton more position flexibility but all in all that's a terrible r1 pick for Dallas at 16.

    You produce one starter out of the entire draft and you gave away a solid RT with a fair contract for a r5 pick? terrible.

    Tillman and Melton are very solid players... who have been losing a lot of games; are coming off injuries, are not young and are not cheap.
    They are exactly the kind of guys we have overpaid in the past and rued. So no, no, no.

    Please stop with the cap nonsense.
    Dallas is not in cap hell but they are certainly not going to the mall either.
    They have A LOT of cap spent for 2015 already and have arguably the best two players on the team in 2014 coming up for mega-contracts.
    They also need to keep the cap in check so they can cut people if need be.

    Stephen has already indicated big signings in free agency are vastly overrated and they are unlikely to go that route.

    Love complete plans but this one is an F in my opinion.
    Team isn't really healthier or better and isn't cheaper or younger.
    It just doesn't really make sense.
  12. LatinMind

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    Ive heard it all now. Youre one of the main guys who is always talking about the the lack of good depth on this team, and u want to criticize me on an opinion of cutting scrubs?

    You can quote ranking from PFF who has some of the worst ways of getting their rankings, but Dallas was limited on offense in part for having to do alot of tinkering with the blocking scheme for Free. Why do you think teams would overload the backend on the left side, and leave the flat open on the right side? Because they knew Free wasnt going to hold up for more then a couple seconds. Did you not even notice how wide Free would lineup? Did you not notice how the G would have to check outside then check back inside just to make sure that Free was ok? Im guilty of not paying attention to it during the yr. TC brought it up and i went back and paid attention and its all there. Free isnt that good. Dallas just hid the fault and went with a quicker release.

    Cap nonsense? Its reality. You seem to get your panties all in a bunch if anybody else posts anything about Dallas being able to spend some in FA. Dallas is 17 mil over the cap right now. as of now Dallas is 130mil in cap costs for 2015. The Cap should be 140mil minimum. With the money the league is making now its not out of the question for that to even reach 143-45 mil next yr.Seems like if anybody needs to to stop their nonsense its you.

    How many starting spots do you realistically expect this team to make with rookies? I predict 2 with this, Martin and Smith. And Martin, Stinson and Gardner to produce as role players. Melton will cost, but with teams cracking down on players with police records i dont think he is going to get anything that will cripple a team. And Tillman wont be breaking any bank at 33.

    You post as if Jerry is spending your money. Being a fan of the Cowboys you dont seem to know Jerry very well, because the guy spends the money every yr.
  13. jterrell

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    No one likes getting criticized so I understand you being defensive.

    All that said, your plan is just bad IMO.
    Cutting scrubs... you don't cut NFL caliber players to bring in non-NFL caliber players and call that an upgrade.
    If those players get beaten out in TC by rookies so be it but cutting them just to force rookies into the lineup is how you lose games.

    FAs: Melton is a top FA target who was FRANCHISED last year. He is looking for a monster pay day. Makes VERY little sense in Dallas as he is more expensive and less productive than Hatcher.
    Tillman is a 33 year old CB coming off injury. He can clearly play CB and is coveted back in Chicago and elsewhere as a CB.
    You wanna pay him a lot of guaranteed money to try out at FS?

    Draft: Last year Dallas started like 5 guys out of that draft class. I'd like to see more than 1 this year; that's for sure. Especially if you are trading off a starter for a 5th rounder just to get that one guy on the field.
    Don't you see if you've actually added 0 starters out of the draft? You plug in for one guy you traded away for a 5th. Pretty easy to say I'd rather have Free and a 1st then Martin and a 5th. That's 2 starters versus 1.

    Doug Free: Again, Free was a quality RT last year. He was our best OL for the first half or so of the season. He did fall off and was easily surpassed by Tyron as the year wore on.
    He was certainly not an issue to the extent you give him away for a 5th round pick so you can draft a pet cat to replace him.
    That's nonsensical on every level. Not the least of which is Dallas has 4 OTs they REALLY like.
    Hate PFF all you want, and they do have issue with grades but other sites rank things like yardage gained on runs through various areas and Free held up more than well there on running and pressures. The Cowboys right side off tackle numbers are 5th best in football via football outsiders.

    Cap nonsense: Because what happens is people lose their minds. Dallas got about 3 million more than was projected in cap dollars to play with.
    That allows them to not restructure guys like Carr or Witten that pushes dead money forward.
    It makes cutting Ware a realistic threat and legitimate idea.
    It is a big-time cap break that allows them to fix some cap issues in the near future.
    It would be horrendous cap management if they were to use it to pursue big-time free agents because this isn't the only year the cap matters.
    In fact it would be rather stupid to continue to max out cap space by pushing it into the future while going 8-8.

    Overall: Again you've heavily used the cap, added a fair amount of age and really not gotten much better.
    Compared to last year you probably upgrade at only one spot: Tillman at FS. And even that is a gamble.
    Melton is the big signing but he's at best equal to the pro bowl Hatcher last year.
  14. LatinMind

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    Free did ok the first 3 weeks, and then had a steady decline from then on. Meaning he got worse. What do you expect to get for a T who was told to take a paycut or be cut. And if it wasnt for an injury probably wouldve been beaten out for the starting job by Parnell.

    Why wouldnt Dallas restructure when thats why they put these option in these players contracts? thats the way they run the team. Why do you let your wants take over what you know is going to happen? If there is one absolute for this offseason is Romo, Witten, Scandrick, and Lee are going to get restructured. It doesnt matter if you think its wrong, its going to happen. The only one that probably wont be restructured is probably Carr, because if he has another yr like last he will be cut next yr. But if they needed his money he would be restructured too.

    Again dont let your wants and your views of what you think Dallas should do, or want them to do because you will be mad every single time. Its easier on your brain to just expect to do what they do every yr. Flirt with using up all their cap, and restructure the following yr. Jerry Jones succeed or fail is going to spend the money to try and win, plain and simple. If he fails he will try something else next yr.

    Ask yourself whats more realistic, the philosophy that Dallas uses every yr, or your's that all of the sudden Jerry Jones is going to stop spending and play it smart with the cap and thinkg 2,3,4 yrs ahead at future cap situations.
  15. tm1119

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    I really don't understand the appeal of Martin either. In all likelihood he's going to end up at guard. 1st, while I think he will have a solid career as a starter, I just don't see him being an impact o lineman that makes your team immediately better. 2nd, I see guys like Yankey and Sua-Filo who are just as good, if not better, guards than Martin that can be had 15-25 picks later. No thanks to Martin at 16.
  16. reddyuta

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    Melton scares me,our cap resourves are meagre and we should not be using them on guys coming off ACL surgeries.I have nothing against Martin but are we really going from drafting a physical freak like Tyron to Martin?.IMO Tyron should be the modern template of tackles who can play on an island with no help at all because they are so damn athletic.
  17. casmith07

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    I could get on board with this, but I think we'll need to add another WR who can contribute immediately in the absence of Miles Austin.
  18. xwalker

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    Pugh is taller with a bigger wingspan despite have shorter arms (i.e. wider body). Pugh has yet to prove that he is better than Doug Free. A mid first round pick needs to be several levels better than Doug Free in order to be worth the pick.

    The ZBS is a running game concept. The small wingspan is an issue in pass blocking. I'm sure that Martin would be a very good run blocker at either OT or OG, man or zone.

    A weight of 227 is quite a bit different than 218. It would be great if they had the luxury to just let him stay at 218 and be a nickel LB. His big advantage in college was his quickness. He is inevitably going to be slower if he has to gain 15 to 20 lbs.

    There are some things I like about Davis as a late round pick, but his tackling is terrible and in general I would just like to see the Cowboys throw in a few taller guys to compete at CB.

    I don't watch highlights. I've seen several full games of Gardner.
  19. LatinMind

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    Why would he need to gain 15-20 lbs right away? D Brooks played very good at 226-227, and it wasnt til later in his career naturally he gained more weight and ended his career playing 235. Smith even playing at 223 would be ok. Because of the style of defense the Cowboys use. I dont understand why people are making a big deal about his weight, but dismiss Donalds weight.

    Ok then if you have seen Gardner, while he has played inside and he can, he was mostly an outside rusher. Mauro was used more inside because of his strength.
  20. LatinMind

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    I think thats where Beasley comes in. This team likes what Beasley could do he seems to just be uncoverable in that slot. He looks like a guy who studys film because he knows the holes in opposing teams defense.

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