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Final tally for RGIII trade

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by bkight13, May 12, 2014.

  1. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    Due to the QBs drafted after RG3, there really is no way to say the skins won the trade. Russell Wilson and Nick Foles are pro bowl QBs, and there are a handful of pretty good QBs, that went after RG3, that make the bounty they gave up laughable.
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  2. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    yea, Bradford wasn't part of the trade, and thus shouldn't really factor in.
  3. SkinsHokieFan

    SkinsHokieFan Well-Known Member

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    I am fine with the trade as is, even with the 2013 debacle.

    In a QB driven NFL you need to have a QB who can play at a high level. When Griffin returns to 2012 passing form (in particular with his accuracy) it'll prove to have been the right move for the Redskins to make.

    When you look at the results on the field, it took Griffin exactly 16 games to win a division title (the first for the franchise this century) and get the team back into the playoffs, after the same squad was a combined 11-21 the 2 seasons prior.

    The Rams got a bunch of players, 1 RB who is now a special teamer and a 2nd round pick who is now on the Chiefs. Good for them, they needed players also
  4. SkinsHokieFan

    SkinsHokieFan Well-Known Member

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    Banking on a 3rd round pick at QB or a 4th round pick at QB is a fool's errand. Wilson of course has an incredible supporting cast and defense, and Foles had one miserable year and one terrific statistical year.

    The Redskins were QB choices would have been banking on a mid round pick miracle, or picking up Manuel/Smith in 2013 or again looking for a QB in the 2014 draft, none of whom are the prospect Griffin was in 2012
  5. Joe Rod

    Joe Rod When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong

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    From a completely unbiased perspective the story is still being written. There is also the "no-one won" scenario and the "both teams won" scenario. If RGIII is a Pro-bowler every year but the Redskins are no better than an also-ran then people will say that they did the wrong thing. If the Rams are a powerhouse but can't get over the hump because of their QB then people will say that they should have grabbed RGIII.

    The Herschel Walker trade is always thrown around, but it is only done so because those picks helped Dallas build those all-time great Superbowl teams. Few people talk about the Redskins fleecing the Saints with Ricky Williams in this day and age because neither team really had any success afterwards. We need a team to be good enough to tell everyone that they told them so for anyone to really care ten years from now.
  6. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't agree with this. Skins only win this if RG3 is a franchise QB and even then, I don't know if you can really say they won. They gave up a lot. I think he really has to win a championship in order to say the Skins definitively won.

    At this point, RG3 needs to prove he can be healthy for a lot longer then just 1 season in order to prove he's a success IMO.
  7. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't agree with this. I watched the Skins and I do not believe he was playing at what I would consider to be a mid tier level. Griffin's QB Rating, for the year, was just over 82, which was good for 30th in the league. That's not what I would expect from even a mid tier QB.

    If you compare 2013 to 2012 for Griffin, it's not favorable, IMO.

    Yard are about the same 3200 (2012) 3203 (2013) but his attempts were way up last year, 456 to 393 and his Comp % was way down, 65.6 (2012) to 60.1 (2013). TD % was down, INT% was up. Was not a good year for RGIII IMO and the comments coming from the Locker Room were not helpful. Guess we'll see what this year brings for RG3.
  8. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    *Shrugs* I agree. I'm guessing they don't. They must feel pretty good they got their franchise QB so I can only guess that they are fine with it.
  9. L-O-Jete

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    I don't think there are many players I would give such a bounty for, much less draft picks (guys who haven't played a single snap of pro ball).
    Maybe Peyton and Luck, other than that, no.
  10. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't say drafting Wilson or Fowles would be banking on a 3rd round QB, I'd say it's called being patient.
  11. Proximo

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    Okay, this statement is wildly flawed. First off, NO team "banks" on a 3rd or 4th round pick (if they were then they wouldn't have waited that long to select them).

    There's a reason (probably multiple reasons, actually) why the player was selected so late. No team is "banking" on them. What they're doing is hoping that they can develop them into something worthwhile (which is the case with most mid-to-late round picks). A true "fool's errand" is mortgaging your future on a guy who's not even recognized as the best QB prospect that year while your team is flawed in many other areas.

    In all honesty it doesn't matter what the Rams do with all those picks from that trade. Unless RG3-13 gets the Skins a ring it won't be worth it. And right now they're far from being worth it.
  12. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I guess they could have kept all those picks plus still had their choice this year if they wanted.
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  13. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    As a Cowboys fan, I too am fine with Griffin being their franchise QB.
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  14. REDVOLUTION

    REDVOLUTION Return to Dominance

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    At this point in his career, 28 games under his belt, he has 5 less wins than Vince young at this point in his career.
  15. L-O-Jete

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    I guess they can use our defense of TehJJ's trade ups: "If they had kept all those picks they probably would have picked trash with them anyway..."
  16. SkinsHokieFan

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    Griffin already has a division title under his belt in year 1, and I expect he will be much of the 2012 version then the 2013 version in 2014.

    The opportunity cost for the Rams was to stick with Bradford, or potentially trade him for a 2nd round pick and draft Griffin (Shanahan probably would have given up a 2nd rounder for Bradford in 2012)

    The Rams used the picks to get 2 RBs, 1 of whom will be on special teams, 1 DT who looks like he can be a player, a troubled CB who has talent, and a left tackle they plan to move to guard. They have already released a player they drafted.

    The Redskins missed out on the chance to draft anyone Janoris Jenkins/Amini Salatu/Cordy Glenn/Jonathon Martin (those were picks 39-43 in the 2012 draft), anyone from picks 22-26 in the 2013 draft (and cost probably isn't the 22nd overall pick in 2013 without the Griffin trade, the Redskins are probably picking in the top 10 again) and a potentially elite player this past season.

    My guess is if the Redskins had stayed put they would have selected Tannehill and been 6-10 or 7-9 again in 2012, had another pick around 9-12 in the 2013 draft, and ended up in the same spot again in this past draft.

    To judge this trade we will have to see not only how Griffin progresses (and so far he is 1 up on Bradford who never has won a division title) but what the Rams end up doing with Bradford. If in the 3 years of extra picks the Rams end up out of the playoffs each time (they are already 0 for 2 and haven't finished .500) it is going to be a loss to them as they have to figure out how to get a QB in 2015.

    Meanwhile the Redskins will be set at QB with a 24 year old that has already produced a division title, and a full slate of picks going forward from 2015 on to continue to build around Griffin. The car note is paid off and the guy just turned 24 in February
  17. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    Of course you would, your a delusional Skins fan. RGKnee will be done for in another 2 yrs probably.
  18. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    I'm guessing Shanahan (the guy who drafted him) may feel differently.
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  19. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    I'm quite sure he does. I wouldn't blame him at all.

    But to be quite honest if he was on board with giving up all those picks to get that guy anyway he deserves to be unemployed.
  20. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    this is a new low in homerism
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