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Fleener in the 1st?

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by rags747, Mar 29, 2012.

  1. interestedobserver

    interestedobserver New Member

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    3. Amini Silatoti, G Midwestern


    He's starting to get some first round mention.
  2. cowboy_ron

    cowboy_ron You Can't Fix Stupid

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    I like this kid
  3. The30YardSlant

    The30YardSlant Benched

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    I'd be fine wih him in the second round, but we need an interior lineman or a NT in the first IMO.
  4. Wulfman

    Wulfman Unofficial GM

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    Okay, you just waved your "I'm a member of the Fleener Weiner Fan Club" flag. There is NO way short of a catastrophic injury that any TE in this draft would come in and start over Jason Witten. To think otherwise is to let the insanity win. Heck, if he gets into the first round, it will be sneaking in on the last couple of picks. I have him graded as #36 overall currently, so it's more likely he'll go in the top 10 picks of the second round.

    I will agree that they'll bring in another TE. They're going to have three on the roster, in all likelihood. But this year's draft class is rather pitiful at the position, so I doubt they'll look to address it until, at best, the third round, and likely later than that. When and if they do, it will likely be more of a blocking specialist, not a pass-catching threat like Fleener. If someone like that doesn't fall in their laps in the later rounds, they'll pick up a free agent for a year to fill the gap and look at it again next year.
  5. garyv

    garyv Active Member

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    we need to focus on OL and Defense. We should be filling TE through Free Agency.....No to TE in the 1st Round I would rather sign Dallas Clark LOL
  6. cowboysooner

    cowboysooner Well-Known Member

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    I think Fleener would start because our base offense would be a 2 tight end set. This kid is an offensive weapon and matchup nightmare. He's alot like Hernandez without the drug problems. With he and Murray and Witten in the game at the same time the defense would not know whether you are going to pass or run and whether they should bring in nickle, dime or base defense.

    These tight ends that play like wideouts and safeties that play like corners and backs that play like slot receivers are changing the game. There are only 4 or 5 of each of those and I'd love to have one. As much as I want to improve the defensive line or get a great pass rusher at olb, I would not be mad if we had one of these matchup nightmare guys.
  7. Picksix

    Picksix A Work in Progress

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    You're assuming that either of them would be there when we pick. What if they aren't? You're also assuming that we have those two rated ahead of Fleener. DeCastro, sure. Upshaw, not so sure. And the original post proposed the idea of trading back into the low 20's. DeCastro and Upshaw will most likely be gone by then. Now, if one of those is available (and you really like them) at 14, then if we traded down just to get another pick, and to draft someone like Fleener, I'd be disappointed. But that's not the point I was making. Regardless of where we pick, say the boys in the draft room love a guy like Fleener, but are lukewarm on the best available player at another position (like CB, DE, OLB, G/C etc). I'd rather them go with the best player on the board, than reach for someone just because he plays a certain position.
  8. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    That shouldn't matter.
  9. rags747

    rags747 Well-Known Member

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    Wulfman, Show me where I said that Fleener would start over Witten. I never did and you won't find it.
  10. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    You said he'd start. Generally you consider one TE in the starting lineup.

    It was an easy and reasonable assumption. I know you'll respond back with two TE sets and you might be right about that.

    Me? I'm not fixated on first year production in terms of the draft. I don't care about fits as much as talent and future. Witten's on the downside of his career, the Patriots just had tremendous success with two TEs. Fleener wouldn't be a bad pick at all. Especially for a great offensive mind like Jason Garrett.

    He'll need to work on his blocking though. He enters the league very one dimensional but what a dimension it is these days.
  11. fortdick

    fortdick Well-Known Member

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    I know you asked Wulf, but I thought I would respond.

    When you say he would start immediately, you didn't mean start? Or you didn't mean immediately?

    If you were talking about a two TE set, do intend to sit Vickers, or Dez, or Miles?
  12. ghst187

    ghst187 Well-Known Member

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    YES!!! but only if we can get another late first round pick at G or C or on D.
    Think it would be ridic to have essentially two Jason Wittens....scary offense...but I admit we absolutely have to fill an interior OL or DL/OLB position in the first also. Would love to trade back in the first then use the extra picks to move up from the second and end up with two firsts to do just this...
  13. cowboysooner

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    A fullback, even a good, one will only play 20-25 plays per game on average, so it would be primarily for Vickers in my mind.
  14. rags747

    rags747 Well-Known Member

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    Well at least it seems that some see my logic here.

    I did say start meaning that we do run a lot of a two TE offense. Jason is even on record as of yesterday I believe that he likes a two TE offense and the problems that it presents to a defense.

    Who here knows approx the % of a two TE offense that we have been running?

    Obviously Witten remains our Mr Goto TE, but having another one who can actually catch the ball unlike Bennett would add a nice dimension to our team in the redzone and down the field.

    Fleener can definitely get down the field and be a great redzone target. Blocking is not his strong suit but he does attempt to block at least.

    I am all for a great DL in Rnd 1 but just do not see any game changers. If I has to pick I probably go with Fletcher Cox. LB'er I like Hightower or the Boston kid.

    Personally I like DeCastro but I just do not see us going OL in Rnd 1 and do feel that we need a monster on the DL...BUT who the hell is he?
  15. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Easily be one of the worst moves this team could make.

    I'll be pissed with a TE before the 5th round to be honest.

    TE should be so far down the priority list right now it isn't even funny.

    Dallas can easily adjust to having a rather weak #2 TE, if somehow that's all they could get.

    This team will not be able to adjust to a weak OL. They couldn't last year, or the year before, or the year before.

    Romo getting battered year in and year out is getting tiring.

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