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For those of you saying we should draft only defensive players in next year's draft

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Verdict, Dec 11, 2013.

  1. TrailBlazer

    TrailBlazer Well-Known Member

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    Draft for need unless its a reach. Then BPA. I want a whole new D line. I think we missed out on Kenny Vaccaro last year. He's damn good.

    Qb of the future? There will be good qb's still on the board in the 3rd and possibly 4th. I like hundley. Zach mettenberger and Tajh Boyd in the middle rounds.
  2. Wayne02

    Wayne02 Well-Known Member

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    The Cowboys are in desperate need of a TE, hopefully they can find a quality TE in the 2nd round.
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  3. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    Especially since our offense sucks.
  4. Fredd

    Fredd Well-Known Member

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    can you draft coaches? if so, I wonder if Shaw will be available when we pick???
  5. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    They should draft their board, but this team wont win with the current pass rush. Four HOFers cant cover in the secondary if the QB has all day to throw.
  6. Dodger12

    Dodger12 Well-Known Member

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    This team has put itself in a precarious situation by poor drafts and neglecting the D-line. Whether they like it or not, they've got to come away with a couple of quality D-linemen early in the next draft. If we go into next season with an aging Ware, an untested Crawford, and a bunch of unknowns (if they don't sign Spencer), then we're just going to have a repeat of this season, We've basically forced ourselves to draft for need......
  7. Wood

    Wood Well-Known Member

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    your right. With so many teams so close in terms of talent, teams are clearly filling biggest needs first followed by token interviews with: 'we had him slotted higher and he fell to us'. I also see BPA being applied much later in draft maybe round 6 & 7.
  8. bkight13

    bkight13 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    We NEED- DT, DE, OLB, FS
    We don't NEED- WR, RB, TE, QB, OT, C, CB
    Could use- OG, young QB, ILB, SS

    Hopefully knock off 2 or 3 thru FA, get a couple injured guys back and keep drafting well.
  9. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    Yes. I agree with that approach. But I still wouldn't pass on Megatron or AD. With that being said, the point I am making is it is often easier said than done to fill holes when the BPA doesn't fit those holes. Look at the bashing that the Cowboys took after taking Fred.... all of the talking heads gave them tons of grief for reaching. It turns out the Cowboys did a better job of evaluating talent than everyone thought. I don't like the Escobar pick, and never did, but I am willing to consider the possibility that he may still turn out to be worth the pick. But I would have preferred a guard or a DL rather than Escobar.
  10. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    You are correct. But drafting a guy in the first round that can't play because he has a third round grade isn't going to get you very far either. We did that over and over trying to find a defensive end and it never really filled a hole. In fact it did the opposite. It gave the illusion of shoring up that deficiency without actually doing it.
  11. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    You ALWAYS need a once in a decade player and future hall of famer regardless of position.
  12. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    We haven't drafted poorly the past few years. In fact we have been well above average. Moreover we haven't neglected the lines either. We spent a boatload of money on Spencer, Ware and Ratliff. We have invested two first round picks on the OL in recent years. We have just had more holes than draft picks. But the players we have taken have been pretty good compared to other teams.
  13. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    I agree that we will not go far without a pass rush. But realistically, I think our scheme isn't very good either so it is hard to tell how much of our defensive failures are due to having inferior depth/talent and how much of it is scheme.
  14. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    I think you can take care of various depth needs in FA -- guys like Durant and Will Allen (who maybe we shouldn't have cut) are always there for cheap. I do think this needs to be an "big" draft -- meaning that we should look primarily for help on both lines. I do also think that we are going to grab a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round. A bunch of the guys we've been high on -- Kapernick, Cousins, Dalton, etc. -- show that we've got a good eye for this.
  15. cej757

    cej757 Well-Known Member

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    Bryan Broaddus and nick Eatman said the Cowboys were gonna draft Coradarelle Patterson and were pissed when Minnesota jumped ahead of them to take him. Fredrick wasn't even the guy they were targeting at 31.
  16. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    I heard Sharif was the BPA on the board when they were drafting and Jerry over-ruled them. And if the went WR because the Vikings didn't, I'd just chuckle hysterically.
  17. Dodger12

    Dodger12 Well-Known Member

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    Above average drafts? Really? With regards to the DL, we took Lissimore in the late rounds of 2010, no DL in 2011 and Crawford in 2012. We took absolutely no DL in 2013 which is inexcusable considering the switch to the 4 - 3 which relies heavily on rotating D linemen. And you mention Spencer. The man was franchised two years in a row at a cost of 20 million dollars or so. You'd think that we would have enough common sense to draft a potential 4 - 3 replacement for Spencer in case we couldn't get a deal done. Our response was to draft NOBOBY. Zero, zilch. How is that not neglecting the lines, especially considering an aging Ware and a disgruntled/injured Ratliff? Include Hatcher, who is in the last year of his contract and, again, we decided to draft no one of the DL. Not a sole........

    And you'll have to show me these above average drafts. Right now I'm seeing Carter and Claiborne, both of whom were benched this season; Lee, who couldn't stay healthy again; Dez who either doesn't know the routes or is in an offense that can't get him the ball. So far Tyron Smith is solid and Frederick has played well for a rookie. Have we even drafted anyone recently that made a pro-bowl?

    Why do you think that is? Because we drafted poorly and also drafted without any plan in place, except for the our yearly attempt to implement the vaunted two TE offense, again.
  18. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    agreed you can;t force picks, thats just asking for trouble.
    I think we should go into the draft looking more at DL, WOLB, and Secondary. But if a CB, WR, or OL is there and a much better player than any DL, LB or safety; then yes you draft the much better player. But if the players are ranked the same, you take the player that can help you the most now.
  19. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    No the truth is Marinelli didn't like Floyd pass rush ability and said he is a 2nd round pick for the scheme that they run. Looking at it now we made the right call. If Richadrson or Star were there at 18 Marinelli wanted them.
  20. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    The in bold is a very bad opinion. What DL could we have taken where we drafted. Star and Richardson were gone when we picked. No good DL in the 2nd round when we picked. Marinelli came out and said he didn't like Floyd pass rush skills thats why they didn't pick him.
    Did you want Dalla to pick a 4th round DL in the 2nd, that would be a dumb move.

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