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Garrett expectations?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by JackWagon, Jun 24, 2013.

  1. JackWagon

    JackWagon Well-Known Member

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    What does Garrett have to do at the begining of the season to ensure his job? If he starts 0-4 ... he might be headed out the door. 2-2 does he stay? I don't think JJ will accept mediocrity much longer.
  2. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Unless there is a situation where the team quits on Garrett then I expect him to be the HC for the season. I think how the team does for the season will determine his fate as it should. Having said that I hope he can get this team over the top, I would much rather win with Garrett than to start over once again.
  3. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    i agree with this, becasue that would be painful

    jerry has tied his wagon to garrett

    unless the team quits on garrett or the team finishes worse than 8-8 garrett will be here next year
  4. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Jerry brought Garrett to Dallas in 07 to groom him to be his next HC and even over paid him as the OC to keep him around after Garrett began receiving head coaching interest after the 07 season so regardless of the start the Cowboys get off to in 2013 Jerry will not fire him during the season. He only fired Wade during the season because he couldn't wait to get Garrett's feet wet as the HC. There isn't anyone on the staff that Jerry is itching to be his next HC so you can bet he's going to give Garrett the entire 2013 season regardless of how bad things go. Jerry had a hard enough time admitting he was taking the play calling duties away from Garrett so he's committed to him for the entire 2013 season.

    Jerry is so enamored with Garrett he won't even admit he's coaching for his job in 2013. Who knows maybe Garrett isn't and he'll be back in 2014 even if the Cowboys suffer through another 8-8 season. It may take a 5-11 to 6-10 season for Jerry to pull the plug on his boy. Jerry wants so much for Garrett to be the long-term answer at HC he's going to give him every chance to develop as a HC. My gut feeling tells me another 8-8 season will probably lead to a head coaching change. If the Cowboys go 9-7 to 10-6 and still miss the playoffs the improved record might be just enough for Jerry to give Garrett another year.
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  5. noshame

    noshame Who wouldn't follow me? Zone Supporter

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    It depends if his assistants are stabbing him in the back, or working as a unit. If we go 2-2 and there's finger pointing, he's gone, if we go 0-4 he's gone no matter what. I don't expect to hear the "we're not eliminated" speech from Jerry this year.
  6. Hawk

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    What is this....a lets hate Garrett Post? Garrett has the Cowboys headed in the right direction...I know we are waiting for camp to start, but this is ridiculous.
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  7. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    You call 8-8 the past 2 seasons the right direction? What exactly have you seen that makes you think he has the team headed in the right direction?
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  8. Avenger

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    Not a chance.
  9. Zimmy Lives

    Zimmy Lives Well-Known Member

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    I expect Garrett to be 3-1 the first quarter of the season. Of course it all depends on the health of his star players.
  10. Avenger

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    The team quit on Head Coach 'fat-for-nothing' 2.5 seasons ago... and it takes more than a couple of seasons and drafts to rebuild an entire team, including instilling a new philosophy. If I'm not mistaken, there's only 17 players still on the roster from the team that quit on Wade Phillips.

    Garrett's working on it.

    That's what I see.
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  11. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I tend to agree. However the time needs to be now for Garrett and this team to step up and show it. I'm a Cowboys fan so of course I'm pulling for the Coach of the Dallas Cowboys to get it done.
  12. tantrix1969

    tantrix1969 Well-Known Member

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    I think it'd take something as drastic as 0-7 or 0-8 start for Garrett to get fired during the season, for better or worse Jerry is going to stick with Garrett unless a coaching change really warrants it
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  13. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Prior to the team quitting on fatso 2 1/2 years ago the Cowboys were coming off 3 consecutive winning seasons making the playoffs twice and had a playoff win. In 2 full seasons under Garrett the team has back to back 8-8 seasons missing the playoffs both years. If that's heading in the right direction then I'm missing something. Like Garrett in 2010 Leslie Frazier also took over as an interim HC in Minn and after an awful 2011 season had the Vikings in the playoffs at 10-6 in 2012.

    The Vikings appear to be a team headed in the right direction and they don't even have a QB near the caliber of Tony Romo. Jim Harbaugh took over a 6-10 SF team in 2011 and because of a lockout didn't have the luxury of OTA's or minicamps but still led SF to the NFC title game that season with Alex Smith who had been a bust.

    Harbaugh just led SF to the SB last season with a second year QB who took over during the season. How many seasons does Garrett need before we see at least some progress or are you one of those who's seen some progress? Funny how some FANS saw last seasons 8-8 season as being better than the 8-8 season in 2011. :cool: As for the 17 players still on the roster from the team that quit on Wade the players who are no longer here like Mike Jenkins are the ones who quit on him.
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  14. jchap2k

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    If you take an RT from our head coach's name and re-organize, you have Great Expectations. If only we didn't have that RT :p
  15. visionary

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    nice post
    however, i am sure you realize that common sense and facts have no place in a discussion on faith and hope
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  16. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Common sense and facts will never override the faith and hope some have. There's some eternal optimists here. I have "hope" heading into every season just not the faith.
  17. jterrell

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    This is impossible to answer.

    I do believe Garrett has to perform but what exactly that means is very hard to define.
    If we are injured mightily but start 0-4 will he be canned?
    Again almost impossible to quantify/

    I do believe Jerry has a short list of potential replacements but I also believe Jerry would hate to use that list.
    I think he wants Garrett to be his final coach and one he raises a final Lombardi with.
  18. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    and one could say they were the exception to the rule but in many cases it takes a new HC time. I don't know if Garrett will get it done or not but 3 full years as a HC is what most will get to prove themselfs. I don't want Garrett getting any more or less than what I would give any other HC
  19. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    It takes time for a new HC if their team doesn't have a QB. Leslie Frazier took over as the interim HC in Minn on a Vikings team that was being led by old man Favre who was on his last legs. That team ended up 6-10 just like the Cowboys team Garrett took over that season. Frazier was forced to use his #1 pick on Ponder in 2011 who Minn struggled mightily with as a rookie especially after Peterson went down. Ponder has yet to develop into a solid starting QB after 2 seasons but the Vikings were still able to show progress last season despite his struggles by making the playoffs. Harbaugh was left with a SF team that also went 6-10 in 2010 and like Frazier he was left with an unstable QB situation.

    Harbaugh turned Alex Smith into a viable NFL QB after just one season. In only 2 years Harbaugh has drafted and already developed the teams future QB who just led SF to a SB. Garrett appeared to be in the best position of any of those coaches having one of the most productive QB's in the league as his starting QB. He was left with not only a solid QB but a pro bowl TE and arguably the greatest pass rusher in the game. PLUS he was left with one of the most talented young WR's in the league.

    No way should the Cowboys be spinning their wheels the past 2 seasons at 8-8 with the talent Garrett was left with while watching Minn and especially SF progress the way they have. Before Harbaugh took over in SF they hadn't made the playoffs in close to a decade. The Cowboys had much better teams than SF during Wade's tenure as HC and now SF is light years ahead of the Cowboys. Even with a QB change that occurred past the halfway point of last season SF continued to get better. It's amazing the direction both teams have gone since they met in week 2 of the 2011 season. The Cowboy team that was favored and beat SF in week 2 of the 2011 season was better than the team we saw fold against Washington in the season finale last Dec.
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  20. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Given the injury on defense we gave up points at will. I think you hire a coach you give him time if your not willing to do that chances are you will not find a HC who would take the job. I don't care if you have a QB or not a football team is more than 1 position

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