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Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by WoodysGirl, Oct 31, 2012.

  1. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Yep, Witten is a great leader by example, but Irvin was an all-time-great emotional-leader of a Cowboys team or any team for that matter.
  2. rickjameschinaclub

    rickjameschinaclub Benched

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    How about catching TDs when it counted...
  3. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Do it for the Vine! Staff Member

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    Jon Machota ‏@jonmachota
    Stephen Jones is pleased with the play of DeMarco Murray in his second season. Jones: "His only issue so far has just been staying healthy."
  4. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Free mostly did a good job on Sunday against Osi
  5. Fletch

    Fletch To The Moon

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    Will Murray be active?
  6. rocyaice

    rocyaice Well-Known Member

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    Irvin also played on a SUPERIOR team. Let's don't kid ourselves here. You are giving Witten too much for our lack of success and you're doing the same for Irvin's success.
  7. kirkjrk

    kirkjrk Active Member

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    The fans,media,sports analyst don't have confidence in him.
  8. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    Because there are so many facets that are the residual effects of LEADERSHIP. And there is no need for me to name all of them. Both Witten and Ware are "stat sheet stuffers". That crap Marty B pulled while he was in Dallas...would NEVER have happened in a lockeroom with Irvin, Emmit, Haley, Aikman etc...and I bring him up because he plays the same position as Witten...so they were in the meeting room together every day. What impact did Witten have on Bennett? Or was he more concerned about not losing playing time to stuff the stat sheets and pave the way for an induction into the Ring of Honor and maybe the HOF?

    See....I for one cannot understand ANY threads on this board that start with is" ______ going to the HOF"?

    Hello....you play to win the game. And I don't care how many catches you have...sacks you have...TDs you throw....this is a .500 outfit..and all of these so called great players on this team...or great lead by example players in this lockeroom don't move my needle...because NONE of it has amounted to winning. And so I question what some of these so-called great players on this team are in it for.
  9. rocyaice

    rocyaice Well-Known Member

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    Let's thank goodness they don't go out there and play on Sunday. But do the Falcons respect him? Let's see if they single cover our receivers on Sunday.
  10. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    Like I said in another post....we have been devoid of leadership for so long around here...that we do NOT realize how bad it is lacking. Sure the Cowboys in the 90s were good. But the dynasty died when Irvin fell to the turf in Vets stadium on 1999. Micheal Irvin...a WR...was the MOST important player on that team. For many reasons. We won a Super Bowl with Kevin Williams playing opposite him. And I am sure many would argue Kevin Williams and/or Kelvin Martin could not even crack the rotation in Dallas. But Irvin was so good in his prime it did not matter that EVERYONE knew the ball was coming to him.
  11. rocboy22

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    um, ok. not sure what this has to do with what I have said. I have not tried to argue anything with you. I just asked for a few examples of the MANY. still have only recieved one.
  12. rickjameschinaclub

    rickjameschinaclub Benched

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    I'm as big a Irvin fan as anyone, but the dynasty did not die in 1999. Free agency left the biggest dent. Jimmy leaving also hurt us. Another was when Norv left, leaving us to Zampese. Red-zone issues began to decline during that era. Novacek and his back problems was Aikman's security blanket.

    By 1999, we were already heading down-hill.

    As na aside, Irvin was in a class by himself, in regards to fighting off DBs, running routes, being where Aikman needed him to be on those precision timing-based routes. He's under-appreciated outside of Dallas fans in reality.
  13. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    I am not sure WHY you don't get it....but here goes

    Micheal Irvin actually made others around him better....he raised their level of play. His work ethic rubbed off on other players. Like I said, we won a Super Bowl with him and Kevin Williams as the starting WRs. Not blaming Jason Witten for the Martellus Bennett debacle...but as a leader and someone who played the same position...should he bear some responsibility for the debacle that was Marty B

    Micheal Irvin was not selfish. There is a famous scene of him on the sidelines talking to the Oline...he was telling them in so many words we are going to run it down their throats all day long. As a WR, he could have decided that if we were not going to throw the ball...I am going to check out...but that is not what he did.

    Micheal Irvin ALWAYS defended Troy to the media.

    Micheal Irvin pulled the team together. I have seen him during games talking to guys on offense, on defense, on special teams...did not matter. I have seen him stick his head in a special teams huddle before they took the field before and important punt or kickoff....he was engaged. He wanted them to know their value to the team and that particular situation of the game. I don't think I have EVER seen Witten talk to ANYONE during a game...other than Romo.

    I could go and on...but there is no need to. The reuslts we have seen over the last 15 years speak for themselves. And Witten has done NOTHING to change the cutlure in Dallas. Hence him and Irvin should NEVER be mentioned in the same sentence.

    Heck to this day Irvin is the BIGGEST cowboy homer in the media...he is ALWAYS picking us to win. He shows more passion in a suit and tie...then many of the players in their uniform. He still wants it like he is playing. He bleeds silver and blue.
  14. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    I agree we were dying...but his injury was the final nail in the coffin. We were 3-0. And we were winning that game when he got hurt. I thought that year was shaping up nicely for us. Without Irvin...we had ZERO shot.
  15. WV Cowboy

    WV Cowboy Waitin' on the 6th

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    It's a shame that you have missed out on one of the greatest Cowboys of all time, .. on and off the field.

    He could have played on any Dallas team, in any era and been great.

    Not his fault that the coaches and players around him could not pull their weight.
  16. rocboy22

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    :lmao:
    What have you said all of this to me for? I LOVE Irvin. He is my favorite player of all time. I have not tried to argue against his merits or his level of leadership, AT ALL.

    I asked one simple question in response to one of your posts: to list just of few of the MANY categories Irvin was on another level in. For some reason, you have refused to do so over multiple posts, only naming leadership.
  17. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    I tell you what...since you THINK you are smart...you name me some categories where you think Jason Witten is equal to Micheal Irvin. The internet will be around for a while...so I will wait.
  18. Joshmil53

    Joshmil53 Active Member

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    Except getting beat terribly on the final play.
  19. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    Never said Witten was not a good player...just that he and Irvin do not belong in the same sentence. Heck if you removed Witten from this team and put Irvin on it....the difference in the results of this era of Cowboys football would be like night and day.

    For the last time...Witten is a good player. But the person I originally responded to seemed offended that Witten be associated with what he deemed a drug addict, adulterer etc.....what is it that they say about glass houes? So both you and that poster can bask in the glow of all the numbers these cats in this era of Cowboys football put up...Jerry has thrived because of you.
  20. rocboy22

    rocboy22 Active Member

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    Why would I do that? Did I EVER claim Witten to be equal to Irvin in ANY category??? Nope. Did I EVER say I DIDN'T think Irvin was far superior to Witten in many categories? Nope. All I did was ask for a few of the many categories you believed Irvin to be superior in. You are the one who took it as some sort of rebuttal and started posting diatribes on Irvin's great leadership.

    If you really want me to, though, I will name one:

    Durability/Toughness

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