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Garrett: the good, the bad, and the ugly

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by JoeyBoy718, Oct 28, 2013.

  1. JoeyBoy718

    JoeyBoy718 Well-Known Member

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    I know people are still hotheaded so they have a hard time looking at anything reasonably. But let's try to make a good, bad and ugly thread to mention the things Garrett has done right, wrong and makes you scratch your head:

    The Good:
    *Drafting: Remember the 2009 debacle? We've had some very good drafts the past few years. We have four starters from this year's draft alone. No more Bobby Carpenters coming through that door.
    *Addressing the OL: It took long enough but we finally addressed it. We've spent two 1st rounders on OL in the past three years. We renegotiated Free and it paid off big time. We went out and got Waters.
    *Cutting ties with old players: Aside from the Ratliff nightmare, we haven't been afraid to let guys go when they get up their in age. We also haven't been extending old guys. We saved a potential long-term nightmare by franchising Spencer two years in a row.

    The Bad:
    *Time management: It's been absolutely horrible. I don't like to be an armchair coach, but every week I yell at the TV saying, "What are you doing!?" These are things that I thought were common sense.
    *Play calling: He had a really good year a while back, which is what made him a popular head coach candidate, but he's been predictable ever since. And Callahan's play calling seems to be no different than Garrett's.
    *Discipline/mistakes: Same old story in Dallas. No matter who we've had at the helm, we seem to make mistakes of an undisciplined team. The sad thing is, the guys making these mistakes are veterans. Costly false starts, pass interference, delay of games, etc.

    The Ugly:
    *2nd round TEs: It's been said many times, but what's the deal with these 2nd round TEs? Garrett has always wanted to instill a 2-TE set, but he never seems to utilize the guys he spends such high picks on. When we've gotten guys like Sean Lee and Bruce Carter in the 2nd round, it makes you wish you could have those three picks we spent on Fasano/Bennett/Escobar back.
    *RKG: I get it and I don't get it. We're trying so hard to be a team with an identity but we don't know our identity. You can look at a player and say, "He'd be a great Patriot," or, "He'd make the perfect Steeler," but you can't say that about Dallas. We want lunch pail guys who aren't cancers, but we don't get those guys consistently. We've passed up on a lot of good players because they aren't RKGs, such as Vontaze Burflict and Janoris Jenkins.
    *Trying to be someone we're not: We wanted to give Romo a "Peyton Manning role" this season. We've always been trying to mimmick the Patriots with their 2-TE set and their RKG personnel. We try to hop on the latest trends. The successful teams are the teams who made the league adjust to them (see Seattle and San Fran), not the teams who adjusted to the league.
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  2. Rack Bauer

    Rack Bauer Federal Agent

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    On the RKG thing... right now the RKG(s) would be a few Charles Haley types. This team is too clean, we need some nasty out there. Someone that'll take your lunch money, buy himself a twinky and make you watch him eat it.
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  3. JoeyBoy718

    JoeyBoy718 Well-Known Member

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    I feel you. I have no problem with a RKG philosophy, but you have to know which guys you want. New England knows who is a Patriot and who isn't. The personnel on our team is inconsistent. We have lunch pail guys like Sean Lee and Jason Hatcher, then we have nice guys like Jason Witten and Demarcus Ware, then we have young passionate guys who still have some learning to do like Dez. Garrett needs to define his idea of a RKG.
  4. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    Agree sooo much. We have enough processing robots. Dallas needs a few bad guys right now.
  5. JakeCamp12

    JakeCamp12 Well-Known Member

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    Dallas doesn't need bad guys per say, it needs leaders that are leaders on the team BUT also make plays when plays need to be made. Haley made plays when they needed to be made. The game was never too big for Haley as it wasn't for Irvin, Smith and Aikman. I think when the game is on the line we don't have players other than Romo and Lee and Dez that want the ball. And you have to want the ball and make a play when things are not going well. Haley and Emmitt Smith were the perfect momentum changers. If we needed a play to get back into the game, they could do it. If we needed plays to close out a game, they did it. They imposed their will on the other team. To me, that is what this team has been missing for some time.... you can talk all the coach speak you want, say all the right things...if you don't make plays when they need to be made, you have a talented team that goes 8-8 or 9-7.
  6. cannonball44

    cannonball44 Stephen Peterman's Campaign Manager

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    A Strict RKG philosophy limits the scope of players we can get... especially when you consider the value of a blue chip player who slips due to PERCIEVED "character concerns".

    AKA Dez Bryant.

    and to a lesser extent Honey Badger in Arizona.

    and soon to be Money Manziel
  7. Naruto

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    The good: He's still doing some good things he did 2 years ago
    The bad: He's still doing some bad things he did 2 years ago
    The ugly: He's still doing some ugly things he did 2 years ago
    Add it all up and you get 4-4, 8-8, same ole-same ole
  8. 17yearsandcounting

    17yearsandcounting Benched

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    Jason Garretts drafting is a myth. He would have been sent packing long ago without Wade and Bill's picks.
  9. slomoxn

    slomoxn Well-Known Member

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    Aren't most of those guys gone?
  10. 17yearsandcounting

    17yearsandcounting Benched

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    do you even watch the games?
  11. pjtoadie

    pjtoadie Cleveland's #1 Cowboys fan

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    Romo, Witten, Free, Austin, Ware, Spencer, Hatcher, Lee (Wade's last season), and Scandrick. Those are the players that come to mind there's probably more?
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  12. slomoxn

    slomoxn Well-Known Member

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    Yes I do, and the guys Garrett is bringing in IMO are the guys that will bring a trophy back home, Parcells, and Wade's guys (the businessmen) are part of the 18 years of mediocrity we are currently in, and most of them are gone or not starting. And if that many are still here who are they, Witten, Romo, Ware, Hatcher, and a bunch of players on other teams. Well with our big three we have 0 rings, and Hatcher is finally in a defense he can excel in so what you are saying is these fine gentleman have wasted their hall of fame careers here with manboobs, and Wade's teams. The new kids coming in, Lee, Carter, Bryant, Smith, the Center (forgot his name), Clairborne, Wilcox, Church, Crawford and whoever else comes in with a little vinegar in their mouth will be the next set of champions here in Dallas. All we got from Parcells was a bunch of businessmen and cronies kids. Garrett for all he lacks has had some pretty good drafts.
  13. 17yearsandcounting

    17yearsandcounting Benched

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    Lol at giving clownshoes credit for Lee. Pay more attention kiddo.
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  14. pjtoadie

    pjtoadie Cleveland's #1 Cowboys fan

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    Yep! Sean Lee was drafted in Wade's last season.
  15. slomoxn

    slomoxn Well-Known Member

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    Spencer who I like, but most on here whine about constantly not being worth the money, Free took a pay cut for being horrible but has come on strong this year, Austin can't stay on the field, Hatcher finally being used properly, Scandrick everyone hated him too, even more after he got his payday but I felt he was worth every penny cause he always comes to play and has steadily gotten better each year and Lee... Best of the bunch IMO, Romo, Witten, Ware... Ware doesn't count Bill didn't want him Jerry did, Witten has wasted a HOF career here and Romo for as many stats and records as he has will not get to the Superbowl. He doesn't trust his number one to be a number one, or he doesn't trust himself, whatever it is Garrett in 3 drafts has out drafted both of them.
  16. slomoxn

    slomoxn Well-Known Member

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    So you found one out of the bunch Lee was drafted by Philips, confetti party for you bro. So Wade has one player on this team of any worth left..... BTW I like Philips as a coach just not a HC.
  17. 17yearsandcounting

    17yearsandcounting Benched

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    Guess who Bryant was drafted by?

    Aweww snap.
  18. PAINFROMUKRAINE

    PAINFROMUKRAINE Active Member

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    What good has anybody ever seen in Garrett? If the man gets fired in Dallas, he will be lucky to get a QB Coach job because there is no way in this world he will get a OC or HC Job. The Scariest part of this season is that we win the NFC East with an 8-8 Record and Opie gets a Contract Extension. The Boy Wonder experiment needs to come to an end. Let "Princeton Smart - Football Stupid" officially "Resign" (TO SAVE FACE THAT A PRINCETION BOY DID NOT GET FIRED) so he can spend time with his family and his Process Charts. Let Rod Marinelli be the Interim HC and he will light a fire under the Players butts once and for all. Please STOP this Madness with OPIE!!!!!
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  19. slomoxn

    slomoxn Well-Known Member

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    LOL, No Fair! Dez was a Jerry pick!
  20. tantrix1969

    tantrix1969 Well-Known Member

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    you could say the same about every player you're giving credit to Garrett for drafting, everyone knows who is really in charge of the draft and it's not JG

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