I was not arguing that they are a hunky dory group with the best intentions for all. I was only making the point that 30yardslant made a silly argument about a point that casmith never made. THAT was my point. I know that it is hard for you to believe that someone can make a specific point and not automatically mean that are in cahoots with other parts of things. You are drawing conclusions about points that were never made to fit some argument that you want when it does not exist. Not quite as bad as 30yard but still in the same way. My point was...again...that 30yards argument was made against a point that casmith never made....end of story.