Gibbs told Shanahan that Snyder won't interfere

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  1. Blast From The Past

    Blast From The Past Well-Known Member

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    Posted by Michael David Smith on January 7, 2010 9:40 AM ET
    New Washington Redskins coach Mike Shanahan has final say over all football decisions. But can Shanahan be sure that owner Daniel Snyder won't meddle?

    Shanahan says he feels confident that Snyder will support him in every way -- including getting out of the way -- and that he feels that way in part because of a conversation he had with former Redskins coach Joe Gibbs.

    "All I can tell you is what Joe Gibbs said to me," Shanahan said on SIRIUS XM's Mad Dog Radio. "He said, 'Mike, you're going to get the best owner in sports.' He said, 'I've never met a guy more positive. He's got so much passion for the Redskins. He's loyal. He grew up with them. He wants to win. He's going to give you every opportunity to be successful.'

    "I've known Joe for over 20 years. He said, 'He will not interfere at all. All he will do is give you support.' When Joe Gibbs tells me that, a guy that I've admired, I think you can put that in the bank."

    Those comments echo what Shanahan said at his introductory press conference, and the idea that Shanahan is running things was one of the central themes of the press conference -- to the point that Snyder stayed in the back didn't take part in the press conference at all.

    Whether Snyder can continue to remain in the background remains to be seen. But for now, the Redskins are Shanahan's show.

  2. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    Snyder will stay away for now. Just like hiring Gibbs was a desperate attempt to get the fan base feeling nostalgic for Redskin glory, hiring the son of legendary coach Bruce Allen Sr., Bruce Allen Jr., is another attempt to get the fans excited about a below quality team. Because of this, "Shanallen" will get probably 4 years to turn this team into a contender.

    With that being said, I really don't think Snyder understands how much has to go right in order to be a super bowl champion. It's not enough to be the best team, sometimes injuries derail you or sometimes you run into a hot team.

    For example look at the Philadelphia Eagles this decade.

    99'- 5-11
    00'- 11-5, loss in divisional round
    01'- 11-5, loss in NFC Championship
    02'- 12-4, loss in NFC Championship
    03'- 12-4, loss in NFC Championship
    04'- 13-3, loss in Superbowl
    05'- 6-10
    06'- 10-6, loss in divisional round
    07'- 8-8
    08'- 9-6-1, loss in NFC Championship
    09'- 11-5, TBD

    IMO, Snyder would lose patient as soon as the team begins to regress. He already fired Marty because, "he wasn't having fun." So I can easily see Snyder ending the current front office structure after the 6-10 drop off, or definately the 8-8 season.
  3. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Backwoods Sexy Staff Member

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    Danny was a skins fan before the skins owner. As a fan he idolized Joe Gibbs so I doubt he would interfere with Gibbs.

    However I have a feeling that will not count with Shanahan over the long haul. I say this because I think some people forget that Snyder gave Marty S. pretty much total control. Before he, Marty was hired, he said something along the lines that he could never see himself coaching for someone like Snyder. However I imagine he, Marty, demanded control in his contract before signing on, that and a nice paycheck.

    Well later Snyder asked Marty to give him some control back. Because again Marty had it in his contract. When Marty said no...he was fired shortly after.

    Now remember. That skins team in marty's last year started off something like 0-5 yet finished 8-8. So he got that team to only lose 3 more games after that start.

    So I don't know if Snyder will do as he did with Gibbs and just stay out of things or if he will want control back if things don't go as quick as he thinks it should like he did with Marty.

    I am of the opinion that it will be somewhere in the middle. He does not have the same level of idolizing Shanny like he did with Joe but I think he will initially just step out of the way...but I don't know if he is patient enough for a complete rebuild and may wind up asking for more control back like he did with marty.

    But again that is just an opinion.
  4. SkinsHokieFan

    SkinsHokieFan Well-Known Member

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    Here is the big thing. Never has the Redskins fan base been in such anger, and revolt as it has been this past season. Stuff 99 percent of you have no clue about occurred with the fan base vs the owner.

    If the Danny wants to go down that path again, you'll see the Capitals season ticket wait list triple over night.

    Nobody is ever promised or guranteed a Superbowl. Its not an easy thing to accomplish

    What you can do though is put the right people in place to set your organization up for success, and go from there.

    Winning a Superbowl requires being as prepared as possible, as well as having some things go your way (tuck rule anyone?). But you won't win it if you don't have the right organization and right people running it
  5. BAZ

    BAZ Drunken Mick

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    Did they do things like post their dislike with the current management regime on internet message boards? Can people get away with things like that now?

    It's a crazy world we live in.
  6. Califan007

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    That 0-5 start included only scoring 32 points in 5 games (6.4 points per game), only scoring 2 TDs in 5 games, and being outscored by 80 whopping points in 5 games. Improving on that abysmal start wasn't hard to do lol...

    5 of the 8 wins that season were against losing teams, and the Skins went 3-3 over the last 6 games. Marty had little more than a nice 5-game run in the middle of a mediocre-at-absolute-best season. Marty didn't help himself much by alienating almost the entire roster before the first game of the season, cutting one of our best players for wearing a hat to a team meeting, and signing Jeff stinkin' George from his existing cheap contract to a far more expenisive one...and then cutting him 2 weeks later lol. Following all that up with an 0-5 start and a mere 32 points more or less solidified that he'd be getting a "talking to" after the season ended.
  7. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Backwoods Sexy Staff Member

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    Yes Little Danny could not stand the idea of not having some power and asked for it back. That goes back to my idea that I wonder if he will do the same to Shanny if things do not start off well. Oddly enough one of the other criticisms, IIRC, concerning Marty was nepotism with a staff member or two and here we have another HC hiring a son to help him...
  8. SkinsHokieFan

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    Lets be quite frank. Marty is a dick. He wore out his welcome in San Diego after a 14-2 season and was thusly fired :)

    Great coach, but there was no way that marriage would work without some sort of intermediary.

    Shanahan too is a dick, not quite like Marty though. Bruce Allen is there as a nice buffer as well

    As for nepotism, while little Shotty has proven to be a good coach, he hadn't done anything up to the point that he got hired in 2001.

    Shanny Jr has been an OC of a pretty effective offense and has earned his stripes (although his dad's name and connections have certainly helped)

    While its a great attempt to draw parallels between events a decade apart, it isn't quite the same :)

    Not with structure. Not with who the people are. Not even with the age of the people involved (a 35 year old billionaire Snyder in his 2nd year of ownership vs a 45 year old post wife cancer Snyder in year 10 of a failed regime)

    Skeptiscm is warranted, but to try and link the events is inaccurate IMO
  9. Califan007

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    Yeah, just gloss over all the reasons Marty DESERVED to have that "power" taken away from him. Again, he gave a contract that guaranteed payment years to Jeff George, then cut him a few weeks later. That ALONE would make Marty deserving of having power stripped from him hands.

    You just keep on thinking "little Danny" did nothing but throw a fit, though, if it helps.
  10. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Backwoods Sexy Staff Member

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    Kind of hard to ignore it with Little Danny's past with other employees and his fits.

    Whether Marty was a turd or not, he is just as guilty but at least he was smart enough to think a head and set up his contract so that he had the power.
  11. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Backwoods Sexy Staff Member

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    You make valid points but just because snyder is 45 and post wife cancer does not mean he is not prone to have his fits or act like a petulant child.

    We seen, and you have even talked about it to some extent, some of the things he did this season that infuriated the fan base.
  12. Califan007

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    I will agree this has some merit lol :mad: (unfortunately)...

    It's actually being said that his contract did NOT give him all the power he ended up weilding...Snyder allowed him to have some more power than he contractually should have had. Not sure how accurate that is, though.

    At any rate, Marty was pretty enthusiastic to Shanahan about him taking the job and working for Snyder...that says a lot about Snyder in my eyes.
  13. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Backwoods Sexy Staff Member

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    If that is the case it might say more about Marty. Either that Marty is a good guy even though they left on bad terms...or that Marty made sure that Shanny got plenty of power in his contract and hopes he has a good payday.;)
  14. Califan007

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    LoL...neither would be likely, to be honest. If the first were true it would mean Marty would purposefully send a good coach into a situation in which he knew would be disastrous...and the 2nd isn't true because he made that comment to Shanny before any contracts were signed or even negotiated. From all reports Marty's main beef was with Vinny (which explains the firing), and with a "difference of opinion" as to how much control he should have over everything...not with Snyder's "meddling" or anything of that sort. He has freely acknowledged that Snyder was a good owner to work for.
  15. Joe Rod

    Joe Rod When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong

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    Marty restructured George's contract not too long after he came to the Redskins, prior to March 1st. George was cut after the second game of the season in September of that year. That's about six months.

    You are also leaving out the part where Marty had to make a quick decision on keeping George and restructure his contract because the Redskins would have been over the Cap with the way George's existing four year deal was structured.

    Oh, let's not forget that George was also a Snyder favorite, as Snyder forced George into the lineup over Brad Johnson the previous season. Yes, I'm sure that Snyder was really upset that Marty restructured his mancrushes' contract.
  16. Califan007

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    Ok, to be more specific, 2 weeks after the season started lol...better?

    And nothing you've mentioned contradicts the idea that Snyder would have been upset at cutting a player two stinkin' weeks into the season after extending his contract and guaranteeing him years of salary. It wasn't just the signing of him to that contract.
  17. Joe Rod

    Joe Rod When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong

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    I'm sure Snyder was crazy upset about it, since George was his handpicked QB that he himself inserted into the starting line-up the previous year. You should be patting Marty's back for realizing the issue and cutting a selfish player whose own teammates had no faith in. That team would have fallen apart if he had kept George as his starting QB.
  18. BeWare94

    BeWare94 Benched

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    So Joe Gibbs gave HIS word that Dan Snyder will not interfere...sounds really weak to me. That would sound a lot better if it were Snyder saying, 'I will not interfere'. How can Gibbs give an assurance for Snyder?

    Why don't you just be real, Mike. Say something like, "Yeah, I know this is the worst job in football but Dan 'Daddy Warbucks' Snyder wrote me a check with so many zeroes that I couldn't say no." LOL

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