Ginn Jr. dropping?

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Bob Sacamano, Feb 25, 2007.

  1. cobra

    cobra Salty Bastard

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    Again, I don't think anyone would dispute that. You don't draft Ginn because you are looking for a polished WR to be your #1. You draft Ginn because he is a game changer either by his special teams ability, his ability to have plays designed for him to get the ball in his hands, and his ability to stretch the field as a #2 or #3 WR that allows your other guys to get open underneath.

    As Reggie Bush proved last year: when you have a game-changer in the game all you have to do is get the ball in his hands or run him as a decoy, the Defense has to account for him and it disrupts everything.
  2. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    That's obviously what we have to hope for in Carpenter and he went in the first.

    And nobody is going to say that Carpenter is a game changer like Ginn is.

    If Carpenter goes in the first...Ginn definitely deserves too.
  3. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Very few defensive players are game-changers. Most guys who get picked day one at the "skill" offensive positions are (or at least were in college).

    We all know you pimp hard for The Ohio State but Ginn's slender frame is going to turn some teams way off.
  4. skinsscalper

    skinsscalper Well-Known Member

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    I just searched Ginn on you tube and there's one thing that you have to say about this kid. He is playing at a WAY higher speed than his opponents (and even his own teammates). This kid's speed is on a whole different level than his peers.

    I remeber last year many people saying that Reggie Bush wouldn't be able to use his speed and cut-back abilities in the NFL due to the fact that "everyone in the NFL is fast". Well, Reggie indeed, did use his speed and maneuverability to make many a play.

    If Ginn's route running skills are refined, combined with his natural speed and pnenomenal vision, this kid could be very special. Yes, I know that "everyone in the NFL is fast", but they aren't that fricken fast dude. That kid is an absolute burner!


  5. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Bush is a bit different in that he is a RB that has pass catching ability and plays special teams as well. Ginn is not a RB and as a WR he has a ways to go before he is of the level of the other top WR in this draft. No one drafts a WR to be a decoy and I would not draft return men with the 1st pick.
  6. cobra

    cobra Salty Bastard

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    The Jets drafted Santana Moss at #16 in 2001.

    That is a useful comparison.
  7. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    First, RB was used as a decoy too.

    Second, what pass catching ability did Bush have to exhibit other than screen passes and short routes in the flat? You don't draft a running back unless he can run. The pass catching ability is a supplemental skill, not necessarily a primary skill.

    Third, you mean to tell me knowing what you know now, you wouldn't draft Devin Hester in round one, especially in the lower part of round one? :eek:
    I would. Devin Hester's returns gave Chicago INSTANT field position. Imagine starting your offense beyond the 40 yard line. Yes, I'd draft a special teams guy in round 1 if he gave me those results, and I suspect Ginn can do that too.
  8. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I think Ginn will go fairly high in the draft but just like Moss there were better WR in the 2001 draft and have shown themselves as better players. As a return man he has 2 TD in his career and 2 seasons out of 6 that he has gone over 1,000 yards. Ginn himself is not a big guy and durability is an issue with some
  9. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Backwoods Sexy Staff Member

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    If the Jags would take Matt Jones at WR who played QB in his college career...I don't see why anyone would think a team would not take Ginn Jr at WR in the top 15.
  10. CrazyCowboy

    CrazyCowboy Well-Known Member

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    If he drops to us-----PLEASE TAKE HIM !
  11. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    Actually, Marvin Harrison is closer to 5'11 than he is 6'0. The media guides are always more generous.

    It's interesting that you turned this into a HoF discussion. Why is that?

    A guy can still be an impact player and not be a HoF candidate for whatever reason.

    I'm just looking for a player with an impact. And as such let me give you two more ...

    Santana Moss 5-10, 190 lbs; Laverneus (sic) Coles, 5-11 193 lbs.

    Both have been in the league for several years and have benefited from weight training.

    At 178lbs, Ginn can bulk up to 190 without losing that much speed if any. And he can learn how to run better routes sitting behind Glenn and TO for a year. It's not like he doesn't have the capability of doing it; he just needs the opportunity. And his ceiling is much higher than Austin's or Hurd's IMO.
  12. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Exactly and they still get picked in the first so Ginn will too.

    I don't think it's really a question.

    I liked that second part.:D
  13. Derinyar

    Derinyar Well-Known Member

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    Ginn is probably back half of the first round pick. Hes going to go after several other WR, the top two QB's, a CB or two and probably the best 2 or 3 pass rushers in the draft.

    Honestly, I think I'd rather see us take an OL in that slot. Mostly because I suspect the talent is going to be higher at that point than Ginn's is compared to the other WR's selected in and around there.
  14. VA Cowboy

    VA Cowboy Benched

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    I'm not that high on Ginn, but he'll probably go in the 20-something range. After teams saw what Hester did last year, Ginn will go that high just on his kick return abilities alone.
  15. dalboy

    dalboy one man wolf pack

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    I don't think that the spot we need to work on but if hes still there then I would not mind if we got him there. Maybe he will be able to catch the ball.:lmao:
  16. jackrussell

    jackrussell Last of the Duke Street Kings

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    Well, I did, and still do. And he made a fine contribution as a rookie and replacing El. That's what Dallas needs to learn sometime soon, when to cut loose and get younger and save some top end dollars. For a reply to the rest of your post, cobra couldn't have put it any better.......


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