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Has there ever been a QB as unclutch?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by juck, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. Venger

    Venger Well-Known Member

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    Said it all year, we will get as far as Romo can drag us - he's not Atlas for crying out loud.

    Romo was aided by a great break out second half by Dez and a nice step up season from Spencer, but good grief this team has a sieve OL, cannot run for crap, and the defense was decimated.
  2. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Don't bother. he's the king of trolls.
  3. ManicDepressiveMan

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  4. percyhoward

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    I'd say that's an understatement followed by an overstatement.

    For the most part, he is the one who has elevated some average-to-bad teams into the very positions where he "cracks." More than any other player, Romo is responsible for making these games meaningful in the first place. Washington was only a "big spot" because of the previous eight games.

    Just like last year in New York (where Romo played well, btw), the last game of the season was only a "big spot" because Romo and the passing game lifted an otherwise bad team to an 8-8 season.
  5. Risen Star

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    He lost to a QB who threw for 100 yards on a 50% completion percentage.

    That's all that needs to be said. When Romo has that kind of luxury to fall back on, then you can judge how clutch he is.

    Griffin was awful in the biggest game he's ever played. Is he not clutch either?
  6. Venger

    Venger Well-Known Member

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    Because he wasn't expected to pull a rabbit out of a hat that was in his @$$ for his team to win... when was the last time the defense carried us to victory? Anyone here realize that had we beaten the Redskins we'd have gotten in with a negative point differential?

    I think it's far easier for a team to carry a QB deep into the playoffs or a Championship than vice versa. I present to you Trent Dilfer.
  7. DFWJC

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    I looked at his stat line again yesterday and was thinking the same thing.
    Dallas loses by 20 or more if Tony has those stats.
  8. Plankton

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    Do you think he cracked on Sunday night?

    One thing about him - yes, he has played well to get them to this position. Romo has been undervalued by the masses from that standpoint. In these win or go home games, he has not played to the same level. I was at the game in NJ last year - he missed Bryant on a deep pattern on the first drive of the game that could have set the tone for the game. It was a relatively routine throw that he overthrew by 3-5 yards.

    One other theory about why he doesn't play as well in these spots - with the games leading up to them, there is a "tomorrow" (read: another game to follow). He knows that there will be another game the next week, so the pressure isn't quite the same. In a game like Sunday, the only way tomorrow exists is if you win. He presses as a result, and, IMO, since he isn't as confident in himself as he portrays, he misses throws that he would usually make in his sleep, and forces the issue when it isn't there.

    I like Romo as a player. He just cannot bear the burden of carrying the team, and needs the organization to make it a priority to provide him with the support so he isn't carrying the team.

    Jimmy Johnson said it best: it's not how many big plays you make, it's how many bad plays you avoid. Romo failed that test on Sunday.
  9. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    RG3 didn't have a good game but even gimpy he still made some plays and didn't do anything to get his team beat.
  10. percyhoward

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    The only reason the Saints' loss didn't knock us out of playoff contention was because the Giants lost later. Romo could not have known that would happen.
  11. Plankton

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    He played great against the Saints, no doubt about it. He was also playing against the worst defense in the league.

    I also think that he cracked on Sunday. So did the coaching staff.
  12. Risen Star

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    He played one of his worst games of the season in the biggest game of the year.

    Yet he's seen as clutch.

    Does anybody honestly think that Romo wouldn't have won this game with over 200 yards rushing?
  13. Plankton

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    Not throwing the ball the way he did.

    Say what you want about Griffin (and no, he was not clutch on Sunday) - he was not loose with the ball on Sunday. Romo was.
  14. percyhoward

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    Your point wasn't that he cracked against good defenses (which he doesn't), it was that he cracked in do-or-die games, which the Saints game was at the time.

    Romo has a -6 TD/turnover differential in these win-or-go home losses, while the defense has a -11 differential against opposing QB. If that -11 were even as good as a -6 like Romo's, we probably win one or two more of those games. That means we advance, and there's a bigger sample of playoff games (to judge Romo on, if we wish). Some of those game might even be at home. I'd take my chances with that.
  15. Plankton

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    Quick question - do you think he cracked on Sunday? You haven't answered that question.
  16. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    It was his worst game of the season but it wasn't a horrible game or he would have gotten them beat. He did complete a few passes extending some drives and even gimpy he made some plays with his legs. He made Ware look like a scrub out there putting moves on him in the open field converting some 3rd downs and did the same thing to Spencer. Even though he was clearly hobbled he still put up 63 yards on the ground on only 6 carries and most importantly he didn't turn the ball over.
  17. ufcrules1

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    How would Romo get 200 yards rushing out of his RB in the first place against a top 5 ranked rushing defense? That simply wasn't going to happen. Washington is ranked 30th against the pass. What does that tell you? Romo could have thrown the ball all over this Washington team but instead he choked in the biggest way possible.

    RG3 in his rookie season became one of the leaders on the team and led them to this "Win and you're in" game in the first place. He was hurt in this particular game, if he wasn't you would have seen him throw a lot more like he did against us in Dallas. On top of all this, he didn't turn the ball over at all in this game, unlike Romo. As a matter of a fact he only had 5 int's all year. It's about winning with him and he knows to do that you can't turn over the ball. I would take him in a second over Romo. I think if we had RG3 this year we would easily be in the playoffs.
  18. CowboyRoy

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    Exactly, those last 7 games where he was throwing for 400 yards and 4 TD's brining us back from double digits, none of that was clutch. None of it. Hiting Austin on 4th and goal from the 20 for a TD or the game is over against the Saints, wasnt clutch. The ONLY time its clutch or unclutch is the last game of the season that we lose. Thats the only big game.
  19. Coy

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    Great post.
  20. CowboyRoy

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    LOL...easily in the playoffs. LOL

    Poor old rg3, all he had to do was snap the ball and hand it off to his rookie RB and watch him go for 200 yards and 3 TD's. What a CLUTCH performance by RG3. LOL

    Lets put into perspective how foolish that statement really is. So why didnt the redskins easily make the playoffs with RG3 this year? They barely scraped by having to win thier last 7 games.

    Or maybe you are going tell us that RG3 was surounded with less than Romo was. How nice would it be to have a RB rush for 1700 yards and 14 TD's?

    How nice it would be to have a real head coach like Shanahan and a D coordinator that can dial up the blitz packages. Or a defense that actually stops the run and catches the ball for a pick when its thrown to them.

    Mr Clutch himself threw for all of 100 yards Sunday. What a stud.

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