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Hate To Say It, But We Missed Marty B

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Picksix, Jan 26, 2013.

  1. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    The simple truth is that Marty B was not going to be satisfied being the No. 2 tight end, not with Witten serving in that role. He didn't want to just block. He wanted to catch passes. But he wasn't really good at that because he had too many lapses where he'd drop balls.

    He just wasn't a good fit for the Cowboys. Whereas, he's a better fit for the Giants, who don't have a tight end nearly as good as Witten.

    Let's stop trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Marty wasn't going to be with Dallas the player he is with the Giants.

    That's just the way it is sometimes.
  2. newlander

    newlander Well-Known Member

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    garbage thread. NOTHING says a guy doesn't want to be somewhere more than just being out of SHAPE like he was. He was a soft tub of goo for us and he goes to NY and doesn't even look like the same guy anymore. Yeah, we miss him: like a HEMORRHOID:laugh2:
  3. Boys122

    Boys122 Well-Known Member

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    I don't miss that bum.
  4. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    I have spent a ton of time analyzing the Cowboys 2012 OLine and running game using both the Tivo'd broadcasts and the All-22 from NFL.com.

    There were definitely a significant number of failed plays that can be attributed directly to a TE (mostly Phillips) not getting the proper block.

    I'm a huge fan of Parnell at OT, but he didn't do as well as a blocking TE as he did at OT. It seems like it would be very similar, but he just didn't look as comfortable at the TE position. It might just be that it is difficult to come off the bench for 1 snap and then wait another quarter or two before getting another snap.

    I have always thought that there are a lot of undersized college linemen that would make good blocking Tight Ends; however, a team would need to really commit to making that player a TE. It appears that most teams only give Linemen-turned-Blocking-TEs a handfull of snaps at that position and rarely do them train them to go out for short passes.

    A player in this draft that might be good as a Blocking-TE is Center Mario Benavides (6-3, 279). He is a really good blocker for his size and has very good technique; however, he is just very small as an NFL OLineman. He would be big as a TE and he has very good athleticism.

    Another option would be Kevin Kowalski. He had terrific quickness/agility measureables for an OLineman. He could also be trained as a FB and be used similar to how Alabama uses Jesse Williams at that spot.

    The Cowboys did have Parnell go out in a short pass pattern once but the ball didn't come to him.

    As far as conventional blocking TEs in the draft, Nick Kasa (6'5-1/2", 271) did some good things in the Senior bowl practices.

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  5. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    the New Refrigerator.

    Well we could get someone like that cheap. But still wonder at all the effort that would be better spent on the O line itself
  6. jjktkk

    jjktkk Active Member

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    Or better yet, a blocking TE, and fix the OLine.
  7. Picksix

    Picksix A Work in Progress

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    Saw the same thing, and I agree that the player also needs to be able to give something in the passing game. And he has to accept that that's his role. The take on Kowalski is interesting. Can he catch?
  8. Picksix

    Picksix A Work in Progress

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    No, it's really not. But your objection is noted.

    The title was bad. Should have gone with something more generic, and made it more clear that I was glad to see Marty go. The truth is, in our system, we need a TE that can block. Yeah, Witten is a good blocker, but we need another one.
  9. ShiningStar

    ShiningStar Well-Known Member

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    scew that, if anything i dont think we used Hanna a lot, i like what he brings to the team.
  10. Omegasupreme

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    I think this has to be the year that more of the plays reflect the strengths of the players. With the short pass or quick high percentage plays to the YAC players, Dez (1/3 of his 1300 yards were after the catch), Miles (1/3 of his 900 yards were after the catch), Felix (86% of his 262 receiving yard were after the catch), and Murray (94% of 251 receiving yard were after the catch) - Dallas could make practical yard gains, clock control, and play variation with the natural RAC abilities of these "natural" resources already on the team.

    Hanna plays into this as well, as his vertical speed and mismatches with LBs and DBs give him and advantage or at least a decoy.

    But here's the thing: John Phillips, for all his blocking imperfections, should have been used for his short area quickness (in the first Giant game, Romo used him with the short pass). At the Combine, his 20 yard shuttle was the third quickest behind Sperry and Gronkowski.
    http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2009-2013&workout=TWENTY_YARD_SHUTTLE&position=TE

    But since mere workout numbers and NFL game observations might not be enough, the college stats of Phillips kind of tell the best story where in his senior year, he was used in short area passes of routes that were 5-7 yards and he caught 48 passes.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/12550/type/college/john-phillips

    Sure he needs to work on his blocking but he will beat a LB or DE for a short gains to keep the chains moving. If the running game is still a chimera or an effort of negligence, then throw the ball for 5 yards per play instead.
  11. ShiningStar

    ShiningStar Well-Known Member

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    wow wonderful post.
  12. Picksix

    Picksix A Work in Progress

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    Seemed like that's how we were using him before his knee injury. Not sure if that caused the change or not, but he doesn't seem to be used like that much anymore. I think last year, the plan was to pick up a blocking TE like Davis from Chicago, which would have allowed them to keep Phillips in his role. But they couldn't, drafted Hanna who was much more a receiver than a blocker, Nd kept Phillips in the blocking role. At some point we'll get another blocking TE, perhaps keep Phillips and let go Vickers. Hanna is more a hybrid between TE and receiver, so we could possibly have 3 TEs, 5 WRs, and 1 hybrid.
  13. 5StarComboBreaker

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    This. I think people freaked out because he had a couple good fantasy stats. I really don't think he is/was the answer for a 2nd TE
  14. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. Reception wise he was minimal but his blocking was very good for us and the lack of blocking hurt the Cowboys this past season.

    As for what the Cowboys do this coming season should there be a change in the offense I don't know that the Cowboys will look to a blocking TE, much of that will be determined based on any changes that may take place.

    Should as some speculate Callahan will take over the offense and this offense becomes more of a WCO style then I highly doubt getting a blocking TE will be a major issue.

    If Cowboys continue using a lot of 2 TE formations then getting a blocking TE would be a bit more important.

    Clearly this past season with this offense not having Bennett in terms of his blocking skills was a negative for the offense
  15. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    Phillips is a better pass catcher? The MartyB hate around here knows no bounds! Phillips is a 3rd TE. On a good team he does not even make the roster! Why do you think Phillips is a good TE? Because the Garrett family said he was? Because he was with Garretts brother at UVA? So did Ogletree! And we know how that has turned out!
  16. rickjameschinaclub

    rickjameschinaclub Benched

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    Why do we always try and and minimize Garrett being a horrible coach? We stunk in red-zone scoring with Bennett, as well as Robinson. Tony Romo buying time with his feet is what often caused the latter, but that still didn't mask our weaknesses with Garrett's play-calling.
  17. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Because he's not, and we're not blind.
  18. Picksix

    Picksix A Work in Progress

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    We don't. You are consistently bagging on him as being a horrible coach. Besides, that's not what the post was about, but I'm not surprised you went there.
  19. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    Crayton had some things to say about John Garrett's coaching of Marty the other day. He said that calm robotic preaching you saw on Hard Knocks of "Come on, Martellus, find your helmet, get ready for the next play, ball acrosst your chest" was pretty much the coaching he got aside from constantly telling him to copy #82. Crayton even said a couple of players tried to tell him that he needed to try to connect with MB on a more personal level and tell him more than "Do what Witten does" but he never did.

    I know some will discount everything Crayton says because they don't like him, but I thought it was sort of interesting. At least he was there and saw things first hand.
  20. SkinsandTerps

    SkinsandTerps Redskins Forever

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    What's that saying about 'hindsight' ?

    How do you replace him is the bigger question.

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