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Have The Dallas Cowboys Drafted Enough Defensive Linemen?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by waving monkey, Jun 25, 2014.

  1. jday

    jday Well-Known Member

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    When you say "target," it suggest a player the Cowboys also wanted; to know that, I'd to need to see their draft board. But I will tell you the players I would rather have based on what we have seen thus far:

    In no particular order players drafted after Claiborne:
    Mark Barron
    Dontari Poe
    Luke Kuechly
    Fletcher Cox
    Bruce Irvin
    Stephen Hill
    Bobby Wagner
    David DeCastro

    I'm sure there are others, but I feel pretty confident the above cast of characters may prove to be better choices than Claiborn. This year is the last year Claiborne has to prove he was not a bust, so it's a bit unfair to say at this point those players will turn out to be better contributors, but still, he is going to have to start and become the ballhawk we were sold to change my mind.
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  2. cowboy_ron

    cowboy_ron You Can't Fix Stupid

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    I don't do a lot of traveling for tourneys....I did a season on the WPT once but decided I didn't like that route much so I just play locally mostly.
    The WSOP is open for anyone to play in and very few of those tourneys are by invitation.....Poker after dark however IS by invitation but isn't related to the WSOP and is a "cash game"with a usual 100K buy in as opposed to tournament style which I prefer and normally play.
    I hope this answered your question BigStar but if it didn't feel free to ask again if you're looking for an answer more specific
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  3. EGG

    EGG Well-Known Member

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    I guess we need to wait and see how Marinelli does with the caliber of players being brought in so far and what is being asked of them. It's probably safe to say the team needs at least one more high impact draft choice for the DL, the LB corps and a stud safety. If the team finishes the season only needing three defensive starters I'd be happy knowing it's on track with Marinelli.
  4. BigStar

    BigStar Stop chasing Zone Supporter

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    Really envious and respect that you are of that caliber of player/pro. Assume you play all poker; Omaha, Razz, 7 Stud, etc.? Do you have a favorite? PAD, similar to High Stakes Poker with Kaplan (Love Gabe) seems more of a poker promotional show, so understand that would be off limits to amateurs like myself. Thanks a lot for the info. I must have misinterpreted the "invitation" aspect because some of the older WSOP telecasts for smaller circuit tourneys kept reiterating "was invited to join the circuit, etc." regarding certain new players they focused on. These were the older Norman Chad telecasts so it may be an outdated concept (pardon my ignorance).
  5. cowboy_ron

    cowboy_ron You Can't Fix Stupid

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    I do like to change up the games sometimes...mostly hold em and Omaha and H.O.R.S.E. which is pretty much all the games you mentioned into one tournament.....yea Gabe is a funny guy...a real pleasure to play wth
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  6. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    My priorities would include free agency and the draft.

    I would spend on free agent OL and offensive players in free agency in the beginning. Then the QB could be drafted. The key would be to draft and develop players to replace the free agents after their contracts are up which would be about the same time that the QB was due for a big contract.

    The defense wouldn't really have to be completely neglected in the beginning because if there was no big money QB then there would be money for some free agents on defense also.

    The key to it all would be making successful picks in the draft. You have to hit on some non-first round picks. Draft guys like Trai Turner who was a 3rd rounder because he was less experienced and less developed than Zack Martin, but will likely be about as good after a year or so in the NFL.
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  7. BigStar

    BigStar Stop chasing Zone Supporter

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    I will never peg you as lacking foresight, just wanted more clarification on that specific point (thanks for expanding on it). The only possible hiccup with this philosophy is successfully hitting on OT/WR in FA (not guaranteed) to lay the initial foundation of the rookie QB. But I also understand your more central point is that drafting those FA replacements is the more integral aspect of that process to long term success. Same philosophy is then applied to the D; sign proven DL/corners while drafting accordingly for their replacements and allowing the D to be formidable in the process.

    Still believe you undervalue the S position;):D
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  8. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    I only play for funsies and that's an entirely different game since people screw around so much. I've become beyond bored. Go fishing or just sit in the boat or on the beach. I like the pool by the beach where the greatest concentration of lookers resides. Maximize your fun kind of thing.
  9. cowboy_ron

    cowboy_ron You Can't Fix Stupid

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    Maybe you could plan a trip to Vegas next June and give the WSOP a shot...there are literally 100's of tournaments that month to play in 1000., 1500. 2500. range that are pretty fun which is where you can make the most money...the main event is just a showcase...kind of like going drinking on New Year Eve
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  10. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    I've been trying to plan it and we have some friends there. But I just haven't been able to get away lately. I haven't even been back to China in over a year. I've thought about playing in some online satellite tournaments but I don't know how to get around the US thing.

    I'll try to hook up with you next year and if we visit for awhile before then we can meet and have some fun. I'll probably come out for a week or two before Christmas.
  11. cowboy_ron

    cowboy_ron You Can't Fix Stupid

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    I'm not an online player so I wouldn't even know how to advise you on that jobber...I watch player actions and eyes so online just wouldn't do it...in fact when cards are dealt I don't even look at my hole cards until I see reactions to the rest of the table...even the most subtle reaction can be telling, especially with players that aren't used to playing live games much.

    Yea, let me know if you and the wifey decide to come out here, I bought some lake property near Tyler that is getting a makeover so I'm back and forth quite often overseeing that operation.
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  12. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    Count on it, Ron, and thanks. :)
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  13. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

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    Said it very simply and pretty much the best way to go about it. The same can be said about linebackers, cornerbacks, safeties, and other positions as well.
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  14. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    SMH -- Kelvin Pritchett wasn't drafted by the Cowboys. He was traded to Detroit, but they didn't finalize it until after the pick.

    And xwalker is right. It is very misleading (or ignorant) to make that claim when they had been running a 3-4. Most DEs in a 3-4 would be DTs in a 4-3 and are considered interior lineman.

    2014
    7)Ken Bishop

    Cowboys took advantage of this deep draft with udfa DTs Davon Coleman and Chris Whaley who is injured--both quick 3 tech DTs



    Drafting for 3-4

    2013
    3)Tyrone Crawford


    2010
    7)Sean Lissemore
    S7)Josh Brent

    2006
    3)Jason Hatcher
    6)Montavious Stanley
    UDFA)Stephen Bowen

    2005
    1)Marcus Spears
    4)Chris Canty
    7)Jay Ratliff

    Drafting for 4-3

    2001
    3)Willie Blade
    6)Daleroy Stewart
    7)John Nix

    1998
    4)Michael Myers

    1997
    4)Antonio Anderson

    1996
    3)Mike Ulufale

    1995
    S7)Darren Benson

    1994
    7)Toddrick McIntosh
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  15. daveferr33

    daveferr33 Well-Known Member

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    Well with all due respect, I think you just proved my original point: the Cowboys have not used the top half of the draft to acquire interior Defensive lineman, whether the scheme be a 3-4 or a 4-3. By your calculation (and Xwalker's and mine) there has only been one taken post-Parcells: third rounder Tyrone Crawford.
  16. cowboy_ron

    cowboy_ron You Can't Fix Stupid

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    Sounds good...let me know if you want any show tickets...I can get Celine Dion and Criss Angel tickets free FYI
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  17. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    No, really you don't have a point. It's called *****ing.
  18. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    My wife says you are her new BFF with a kiss on the cheek. :) And I love both, too. Many Thanks!
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  19. cowboy_ron

    cowboy_ron You Can't Fix Stupid

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    lol...tell the wifey thanks jobber
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  20. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Safety and LB are highly valuable on the field. I just don't value them as highly in the draft because they can be obtained in free agency for less than DEs and CBs, in general. There are some highly paid Safeties, but there are normally some mid priced but talented Safeties available every year in FA.
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