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Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by AJM1613, Apr 28, 2004.

  1. Bizwah

    Bizwah Well-Known Member

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    Dang!

    I've been looking everywhere trying to get a look at our board.

    Can I please see a copy?

    In other words.....How do you know this?

    I know it's been said that we wanted Andrews....but it also was said that we would move up to take Jackson or KJones. Perry was also thrown in there.

    All I heard from Parcells himself was that they were high on Julius Jones. That we told him that if he was around in the second round that we would look to take him.
  2. AJM1613

    AJM1613 New Member

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    Look we don't agree on a couple things, that is all. I think that because McDougle, Burgess, Hicks, Sheppard, and Brown have played in the NFL they are more reliable than players who haven't (3 rookies and 1 2nd year player who didn't play at all last year). You think that an unproven player is an unproven player. This is what we are talking about. It has nothing to to with being a homer or not.

    I don't know a lot about Pete Hunter besides his stats so I can't coment on him. That is a lot like you and Derrick Burgess/Artis Hicks. You keep on saying that just because these two players played well once...but they didn't. Burgess played in 19 games and Hicks played in 10. They played well (from what I can remember) against everyone they played against.

    Burgess is a better end the Whiting, that is proven. Hicks better than Welbourn? I don't know. Andrews better than Welbourn? I don't know. One of the two better than Welbourn? Most likely. Okay?
  3. Bizwah

    Bizwah Well-Known Member

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    Maybe next year, if things pan out.

    Things happen fast in this league. Your team is a McNabb injury away from tanking.

    Actually, I think we're younger than you. I remember Adam saying that our current roster averages around 25.

    Talent is relative.....this whole thread is predicated on it. Other than QB, our talent is relatively the same.

    We very nearly did last year with a weaker team.

    I think most of the league has underrated our talent. I've always thought we had more talent than we showed on the field under Campo.

    And your point is?

    I'm sure you'll tell me next that you're also the most modest person on this board.

    No, Reid isn't the best drafter in the league. Ozzie Newsome wins that title hands down.

    Oh, gee......then why bother watching the games? You're right, there is no hope! cry, cry, cry......

    Sheesh!

    It's called being a fan. I love my team. If I would've listened to all the "experts" I wouldn't have watched a game last year. Most experts had us finishing DEAD LAST in the division.

    Things happen in the NFL.


    No, you're not a troll. But for some reason you come to a Dallas board, ask Dallas fans what they think of our team vs your team, then act surprised when you don't see us bowing down and worshipping you.

    You can come across like the pesky neighborhood kid that would always give a lame excuse as to why they lost a game.
    ">>.......well, it's not fair, I would've won if you wouldn't have bought Park Place and Boardwalk."

    "......I only missed that shot because the wind blew"

    "........I lost the race because I tripped....otherwise I would've won"

    "We would've won if McNabb had been healthy....."

    "Your defense isn't really the best in the league because I say it's not"

    Come on........I enjoy debate. But until you learn to give credit where it's due, and drop your homeristic attitude, all your "debate" attempts will result in nothing more than peeing contests.
  4. Bizwah

    Bizwah Well-Known Member

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    Thank you!

    I do believe we finally understand each other.

    I'm not saying Hunter is our answer....far from it......but he's no worse an answer (in my opinion) than your guys due to the fact that he's green like them.
  5. AJM1613

    AJM1613 New Member

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    Quotes from Mickey Spagnola. Here is the link. I don't know if you trust this guy or not. I will look for a more credible source. I thought I saw a quote somewhere directly from Jones about this, I will look into it.

    http://www.dallascowboys.com/spagnola.cfm?id=2227E122-977A-16F1-5B5ACB032887272E
  6. AJM1613

    AJM1613 New Member

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    How do you feel about Jim Johnson (our DC). Good?, bad?, great?
  7. Bizwah

    Bizwah Well-Known Member

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    I believe nothing on draft day......

    Mickey knows nothing of what actually goes on in Big Bill's head.

    I do remember Bill....and this is straight from his mouth.....say he doesn't like fat lineman.

    And again, I read that we'd take Jackson, Kevin Jones....everyone thought they knew what the Cowboys would do.

    No one did.

    I'm not saying we didn't like Andrews......we may have....I'm saying that you don't know what Parcells was thinking.

    John Clayton constantly wants to tell us what the Cowboys are going to do. He hasn't been right once.

    Nick Eatman was given a sealed envelope by one of our scouts. He was told this is who they were probably going to get. Eatman was to open the envelope after the draft and see if it was right.......

    The name.....Julius Jones.
  8. Bizwah

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    I feel Jim Johnson is a good DC. Not great......

    He does a good job of maximizing the talents he has.

    I think his blitz packages are his trademark. That's what he does well. Develop those packages.
  9. AJM1613

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    Jones did say it though. "
    (Hint: Even Jerry Jones, talking about that first-round pick, made a Freudian slip, and instead of referring to one of the top two running backs, said, "Andrews.")". Isn't that proof? He is the GM not Bill.
  10. AJM1613

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    Me too. I think that he is the best in the league at maximizing the talent that he has. He did it with Bobby Taylor and Brian Dawkins, both of their number's skyrocketed when he took over as DC.
  11. Bizwah

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    A Freudian slip is proof of nothing. Heck, he may have been looking at the scrolling draft deal at the bottom of his TV screen, saw the name Andrews scroll across, and accidentally said it.

    But that's not my point.

    The point is, many seem to "know" what Bill wanted. Most sportswriters jumped all over the fact that he called Jackson and was enamoured with him. But Bill merely said it was nothing.

    Parcells is so secretive during draft time that most sportswriters will immediately jump on any tidbit of information they receiver from Valley Ranch, and run with it as "Bill Parcells Wants".........

    You've merely quoted JJ....we've seen him butcher the English language more than once......he's also an Arkansas guy.

    Don't read more into this than there really is.
  12. Bizwah

    Bizwah Well-Known Member

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    This is good banter.

    I like these discussions when we actually listen to each other.

    Johnson is a good DC.

    And I think Mike Zimmer, after a rough start, has really started to come on. He's done a lot with little talent.

    He has a ways to go before he's on level with Johnson, but he's an up-and-comer.

    I think he'll wind up being a head-coach soon....Zimmer that is. JJ seems to be content with being a DC.
  13. AJM1613

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    Personally, I think that there are three great DCs in the league. Johnson, Cronell, and Kiffin, all just as good.

    The point I was trying to make involved our CBs...This is the main reason why I think that they will be sucessful.
  14. Bizwah

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    That's a legit point.

    And, it's also why I think Hunter will be fine.

    Zimmer has been a good DBs coach. Even when we had Hawethorne and Edwards starting, our secondary was solid.

    Those players were limited athletically, Hunter is gifted athletically. I hope Zim can work some magic here.
  15. AJM1613

    AJM1613 New Member

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    From what you have said about Hunter he looks like he should be fine. I don't understand why you are not more concerned starting 4 players that have never played an NFL snap before.
  16. Eric_Boyer

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    In those situations we still have the starter from last year on the team.

    We hope to improve in those areas but atleast we can put in the starter from a playoff team instead. This is different then your situation.
  17. AJM1613

    AJM1613 New Member

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    Most likely Larry Allen will not be on your team too much longer, besides that you are right.

    This means that we are in the exact same position, we have replacements for the players that have never played in the NFL before.
  18. Eric_Boyer

    Eric_Boyer Well-Known Member

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    How are you in the exact same position. Our starters would still be on the team, just demoted to backup spots. Your starters are long gone.

    Now why don't you revisit the question you asked of me that drew this response. If you have half a brain you will see that you were just taken to the woodshed.
  19. AJM1613

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    2 < 4

    Word out today is that Andrews will start this season at right guard. ND Kalu was starting at DE opposite of Kearse. I guy that I failed to mention at all. This guy was a starter last year so that position looks set, if one of the two younger players don't step up and take his spot (McDougle, Burgess) then we have this guy who is a solid 5-8 sack a year guy.
  20. Eric_Boyer

    Eric_Boyer Well-Known Member

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    Nors, is that you?

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