Hernandez v Brent

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by zack, Jun 26, 2013.

  1. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    like how you toss a dead team mate away as an infraction

    and also how much a difference it is if he is a good player

    pretty sad on your part
  2. yentl911

    yentl911 Well-Known Member

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    Yes both incidents resulted in the unfortunate loss of life of a young man but the nature of implementation is not comparable. Driving home with your best friend after drinking is nothing like taking a friend out to the woods with the intent of shooting him - five times - the last two execution style.
  3. yentl911

    yentl911 Well-Known Member

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    One more thing. Brent's *** should have been flushed the second his DUI/manslaughter became public. Then to have him on the sidelines? Come on. People need to realize there are consequences for your actions.

    Jerry should have said:

    "Mrs. Brown we are so very sorry for your loss and we as an organization will support you in any way we can to help in the loss of your son but we will not support Mr. Brent in any way. We as an organization need to distance ourselves from individuals that make these kinds of poor decisions."
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  4. aikemirv

    aikemirv Well-Known Member

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    The other hypocrisy is that people in here will condemn Brent even though they have been guilty of driving drunk as well, even if they were not caught or did not hurt anybody while doing it.
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  5. conner01

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    are you seriuosly comparing a pre meditated murder to a person who got drunk and killed someone. really?
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  6. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    are you seriously excusing repeatedly driving drunk that eventually results in someone dead?
  7. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    so, doing the wrong thing is OK if several people are doing it?

    just trying to get my facts straight

    the real hypocrisy is making up stuff like you did to excuse a repeat offender who killed someone
  8. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    If I did what Brent did I would expect to face the punishment of my actions. I'm not going to say I have never drove a car while under the influence and it was stupid on my part and had I been in an accident and someone was killed then I would have to suffer the consequences of my actions. Claiming that because many people have driven drunk does not somehow make it alright.
  9. Frozen700

    Frozen700 Well-Known Member

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    Why do you care?

    If this was never reported you wouldn't talk about it
  10. conner01

    conner01 Well-Known Member

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    not at all. i think brent should go to prison. i don't think he should get the death penalty. there is a reason why in one of these cases the defenddant will face the death penalty and the other won't. if you don't see these are two totally different degrees of crime then i don't think i will ever be able to explain it to you
  11. 8FOR!3

    8FOR!3 Well-Known Member

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    You guys are talking like Jerry Brown didn't make the conscious decision to let Josh Brent drive/get in the car with him in the first place.
    I'm not trying to pretend Josh Brent didn't do anything wrong and Jerry Brown isn't a victim, but you can't compare that case to Hernandez's. As stupid as Josh's decision was, Aaron's was way worse. And the scary thing is Brent was probably drunk when he made that decision, Hernandez wasn't.
  12. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    i agree
    morality is a tough concept for many to grasp
  13. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    This comes across as Self Righteous Indignation.
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  14. FiveRings

    FiveRings Well-Known Member

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    It was a little cold of the Patriots to cut him when they did. I don't mean towards him, but people are forgetting, amidst all the jokes and media coverage that someone lost their life here.
  15. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I think Pats could be privy to a bit more inside information on what is going on as to why they cut him when they did. 2 hours after the arrest
  16. CashMan

    CashMan Well-Known Member

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    The difference is, a lot of people drink and drive, and because of that, the sensitivity of it is lessened. These players have many more outs than the common person when it comes to finding a designated driver, agents, team, nfl ect..
  17. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    'Infraction' was a poor word choice. I was looking for something akin to 'negative incident,' but thought most people would understand what I"m getting at. Either way, it wasn't meant to lighten the severity of the incident in any way.

    That said, I was as clear as I can be that Brent's actions are subject to both criminal and civil liability. And that they should be. So save yourself the trip to the moral high ground. What was at question in my post was whether or not the league should be in the business of handing our retributive punishment in this case, or whether substance abuse counseling and allowing the courts to handle the matter is sufficient. Nevermind the fact that that happens to be consistent with Jerry Brown's family's wishes and that it's in the long term financial best interest of Jerry Brown's young child.

    I'm pretty comfortable saying here that what I'm suggesting is a lot better resolution for all parties, if the team is willing to continue to invest in the player, as they seem to be willing to do. In that context, of *course* it matters how good the player is. When the discussion is whether or not we should be carrying him on the roster despite his circumstances, it's obviously highly relevant.

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    What's the penalty on a crime like the one Brent is facing? Typically between 10 to 20 with a reduced sentence for good behavior? Murder in the 1st degree is what, Life without the possibility of parole or the Death Penalty? If it's the same, then why does the law look at it differently?

    I mean, I understand that people are passionate on the subject but the Law says it's different and the majority of the people also see it differently. Those are just simple facts.
  19. tecolote

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    I am not denigrating the Pats, I'm calling out all the hypocritical people who say the Pats are a great organization for releasing Hernandez while the Cowboys are not for not doing the same with Brent, all the while forgetting the Stallworth hire.

    That is BS.
  20. Doomsday101

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    Yeah that is a pretty big differance in terms of punishment. Involuntary manslaughter or in Brent case intoxication manslaughter is quite different than capital murder


    In my opinion I think Brent career is pretty much over

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