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  1. Juke99

    Juke99 ...Abbey someone

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    She was more fearful than shy...and it played itself out in her being aggressive.

    Medication is always a last resort.

    It took about 8-9 months but essentially, we started by getting within a comfortable distance (determined by her) of someone walking by and she'd get a reward, food, pet, etc so long as she stayed calm.

    next step was to allow her to approach people...I was amazed at how few people know the correct way to approach a dog, even when you tell them, "uh, that's not good could you please just stand still, with your side to the dog and don't bend down toward her"

    So once that step was complete, next step was to have people we met along our walks give her treats...

    That's the foundation...rewire the stranger reactive dog from "Strangers = danger to strangers = treats"

    Finally, I began asking people to give her cues.."sit" "down" etc.

    Now the entire neighborhood loves her and she's everyone's favorite at the supply store.

    Most any dog can be counter conditioned and it's a GREAT feeling of satisfaction when ya do it.

    So that was my long way of saying that I would give the dog any sedating liquids, etc.

    Thunderstorms, different story because so far, no one has been successful at counter conditioning a dog who has thunder phobia.

    Note: this is why, when people get a puppy they should introduce the dog to dozens upon dozens of people (particularly men and kids) from the age of 8-14 weeks. It'll set the dog up for great social skills. When this doesn't happen, you're always working against how the dog wasn't socialized properly.
  2. Juke99

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    You and your dislike for clickers. ;)

    I don't only clicker train btw. I just use it as a tool. I firmly believe, learn as many techniques as possible and then fit the technique to the owner

    oh, with one exception, aversive, punishment based training techniques because....they don't work.

    Later this month I start my lecture/workshops "Transitions: Your baby and your dog" for the largest hospital network on LI.

    Also, had a blast a few weeks ago. I was invited, free of charge to a three day lecture given by Ian Dunbar (he is THEEEEEEEEEEEEE man in dog training. Google him, you'll really like him) Best part was, after the first night we were chatting at the bar and he invited me to dinner. For me, that was like dinner with Roger Staubach.

    How are your pooches doing?
  3. justbob

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    Mine are doing great --the youngster is starting to "work"
    cattle a little -no formal training until he is older. He has a similar working style as his dad

    My two females have started whistle training...Since they sometime work 300 to 400 yards away the whistle allows me to control them better.

    Had an e-mail from a girl in Sweden wanting to buy a female pup (she uses them to herd reindeer (for real))
    Unfortunately I didn't have one and will probably not breed my females for another year.

    From the video looks like yours is doing good..

    Dang can't I complain about 4 bugs and clicker:D
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    Lending a helping paw.

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  5. Juke99

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    Great to know that your dogs are doing well. I think the herding stuff is amazing. I'm always fascinated by what a dog is hardwired to do.

    Had a class the other day....Golden...the owners, at the end of the class, finally fessed up that they were reprimanding the dog whenever it picked something up off the floor. Helllllllo? Golden RETREIVER! So believe it or not, and yes in this case I clicked him, we had to retrain him to take appropriate things (like his toys) cuz he was so antsy about doing so.

    I've got mine in a two weekend dog olympics starting this weekend. Fastest non verbal recall is one of the events...everyone is using a dog whistle...I'm using a harmonica. :) I've got that harmonica super charged.
    The only time I cue her with it is...for when we are going for a walk...giving her a big juicy bone...going for a ride in cars...calling her for dinner....etc. She responds so well to it that she actually rears back before racing to wherever I am. too funny. I'm winning that event, hands down.

    We've got a Border Collie in the neighborhood, POORLY trained. When on walks, it freezes and just stares...those dogs have one INTENSE look about them.

    I just cue a "head's up" and mine looks at me and prances by. But man oh man, what a look from that Border.
  6. Juke99

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    Hahahahaha...looks like the kinda of help we have to constantly give Yeager around here.
  7. justbob

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    Cow dog training for you ---
    There are weak eyed and strong eyed dogs. The border collie is a strong eyed dog and that where that "look" comes from. If you watch a border collie work they work from a further distance and crouch and keep that eye on the livestock.
    Aussies work much closer and use force more.
    One of the reasons I think Aussies are much better on cattle then a border collie
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    The tough part of training an Aussie is controlling what they naturally do. That where the collar and long line come it.

    You have to teach them control -distance - and aggression on command of something they are" hard wired" to do
    I do not socialize my personal dogs. They bond very close to family and they need to pay attention only to me..My dogs will only partially obey my wife. I have enough people come over that they don't bite -but they don't want to be their friends either
  9. Juke99

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    Good stuff Bobster.... it was the entire aura of that dog that was mind blowing. Every cell in its body was focused on us, without a hint of movement. Pretty cool.

    Really if you think about it, most behaviors we train, they already know. We just want them to respond on cue and in the proper context.

    I always tell me customers, "You're not teaching the dog to sit. It already knows how to do that. You teaching cue response and context"

    It must be a blast to work with herding dogs.

    How do you differentiate the whistle commands? Pitch, number of tweets, duration of tweet????

    You can always use a harmonica....blues herding. ;)
  10. justbob

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    http://www.freesound.org/packsViewSingle.php?id=4290

    Something similair --these are for a sheep dog --I cut mine down to 5 whistles

    There is nothing more intense and focused as a strong eyed dog --I much prefer the loosed eyed Aussie -but again that is because of working cattle and not sheep---
    There is an aged old battle of opinions on Aussie vs Border collies----loosed eyed vs strong eyed ---even accusations (before Dna) of breeders cross breeding border collies with aussie to get a little more "eye in the Aussies"
    Training an Aussie is simple and extremely hard at the same time. All my dogs have a strong work instinct ...That means I have to override the hard wire instincts but not short it out. And I have to do it in away that I have that control at a distance --its fun --I have two females that have selective hearing after 50 yards.... They are both wired to be head dogs. Most of the time I need them to drive the cattle from the rear or side .. After 50 yards I can't yell loud enough and they are to young to care so they free lance...They will conform or else the clicker comes out:)
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    Not enough musical talent to herd with the blues:laugh2:
  12. Bob Sacamano

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    Law of the pack right there. They know who's boss, and they're just establishing position with the rest of the family.
  13. Juke99

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    Actually, the guy who, several years ago, did all the foundational work about pack leaders, alphas, etc has now stated that he was off the mark...and he's actually been making a lot of appearances to explain what he has now learned.

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    Glad you finally know what you want to be when you grow up. :D
  16. Bob Sacamano

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    That dog probably leads a better life than you do.:laugh1:

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