Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by Denim Chicken, Aug 5, 2014.
Not even close.
I'm there with ya
Not even close my ***. Well I did say IMO and yeah it's pretty close. If you want to say someone's better fine but to say it's not even close is ridiculous. He's the best IMO and one of the best in most everyone's opinion. I don't know who u think is and probably don't care but Nas is one of the best of all time. That's not controversial.
Nas is one of the best NY rappers to come out along with Biggie, Wu, Mobb Deep, Jada (personal) but there are many more around the country, and down south especially. NY was a pioneer and will remain a staple along with LA. Personally in DC, we gravitated towards the Memphis scene and GoGo. Didn't mean to speak for Denim, just my upbringing personally.
Nas is one the greatest period. NY rappers? Wow that's a disservice to how great he is.
No I loved Nas growing up personally (first 2). I was just speaking more of personal tastes coming into play considering where you may live in the country, etc.
Biggie doesn't belong in the NY rappers category either. He's one of the best period. The rest you mentioned Mobb, Wu are groups and Jadakiss is ok I guess but not in that category. And it shouldn't matter where you live when talking about the best rappers. That is not a territorial argument.
I only do that because the list starts getting pretty long and personally exclusive when the undergrounds start getting thrown in there. Prodigy is okay but really prefer Havoc in the young tracks (juvie cd/infamous) but he didn't really branch off. Wu started as one but has several group members with everyone having a differing opinion of who was best of the bunch (rza). Who are your top 5 ish overall? But I still feel where you live plays a part. There are different "takes" that are embraced that aren't always expressed simply though lyrics. Sometimes it is "who" is expressing the lyric, my simple man Project Pat (cult idol) comes to mind. His words meant something bc he owned it.
It really doesn't. That list is the best rappers of all time. Not the best rappers of NY or West Coast or wherever. You don't separate any other greatest of all time list like that. Where I live has nothing to do with it. Skill level, longevity, quality classic albums. My top 5, I'll give you my top 10 solo artists:
LL Cool J
So let's see I have Midwest rapper, 2 West Coast(even though Pac isn't from the West), and a Southern rapper. Is that good enough for you. It shouldn't matter and it doesn't to me. If you are good you are good.
I almost put Rakim Love you have Scarface on that list. DC idol. Some of the mainstream stuff gets in the way of some but definitely understand where you are coming from in terms of embracing the quality of the music for artistic sake. I don't see rap as an art necessarily, but as a way of expressing frustration.
It was a little hard to leave rappers like Big Daddy Kane, Eminem, Andre 3000 out. I really don't like Jay-Z being in there that much. If there was any one I would remove it would be him. I like him but I've never really loved him or thought he is a great because he came on the heels of Biggie's death. Before that he really hadn't made a name for himself and he comes off boring at times.
I'd be lying if I didn't admit to liking Enimen initially. I will admit I tend to "cross em off the list" when they become established or "mainstream". I would definitely put Andre in there over Jay Z as well Old school Aquemani(sp) was my ish.
Yeah it doesn't help. I like that even Nas has sold a lot of records but he's still not mainstream. Yeah people know him especially hip hop community but the mainstream knows Illmatic and little more.
I would say mainstream lost track of Illmatic shortly after his 2nd release. He got too philosophical or preachy on me. I know of all the rappers you mentioned and listened to them growing up so I'm not ignorant. Those rappers are totally justified but wouldn't include them as "true" rappers. Half of that list are doing movies, tv, etc. That is not rap, that is rhyming. They lost their edge a ways back. Half of your list doesn't apply to that; just Cubes, Common, Jay Z types aren't venting frustration, etc.
Didn't mean to offend-just hard to believe anyone would put NAS over Big, Pac, Slick Rick, Easy E, Etc...
Why is that? He's had some of the most insightful lyrics in the history of hip hop.... from a social political standpoint....
If you listen to him... don't let the outside influence of what people think.... or don't just listen to the "sound of the drum".....just listen to him...
You will hear his brilliance... By no means am i questioning your taste..... but the man has said some very heavy things during his career....
Everyone else on your list is brilliant in their own right... although I will question Easy E.... I liked his voice, but he never wrote his own lyrics, and he had no rhythm... dre had to build the tracks around him... hence his unique off-beat style... and it worked... besides that... NWA/Easy were single handedly responsible for the "decoding of hip hop" Every word and curse they used were clear and basic.... It opened the door for hip hop to become "pop based" around the country...
But don't get me wrong... I loved them as well..... and Ice Cube also had a great career speaking on many social issues as well.
in your opinion.
Through the lights cameras and action, glamour glitters and gold
I unfold the scroll, plant seeds to stampede the globe
When I'm deceased, by then the beast arise like yeast
to conquer peace leaving savages to roam in the streets
Live on the run, police paying me to give in my gun
Trick my Wisdom, with the system that imprisoned my son
Smoke a gold leaf I hold heat, nonchalantly
I'm grungy, but things I do is real it never haunts me
while, funny style ni****z roll in the pile
Rooster heads profile on a bus to Riker's Isle
Holdin weed inside they p***y with they minds on the
pretty things in life, props is a true thug's wife
It's like a cycle, ni****z come home, some'll go in
Do a bullet, come back, do the same sh*t again
From the womb to the tomb, presume the unpredictable
Guns salute life, rapidly, that's the ritual
again, in your opion.
Well Eazy E and Slick Rick not hard to believe. Plenty of rappers would go above Eazy E because he wasn't very good. Slick Rick is not a top 10 rapper IMO but definitely top 20. And it wouldn't be hard to believe that Nas would be above Biggie and Pac because I've seen many lists with him above those two. It's all subjective, these are just my personal opinion. If you like Eazy E and feel he's better than Nas go for it I guess. You probably won't get very many to agree with you but if that's how you feel who's stopping you.
Nice. OK, I recant my statement. To each there own:
Who put the monkey wrench in well oiled perfectionist emblem
Just to watch these monitors spit white noise through your office space
I infect jolly gene pool descendent clown clusters
Brushing dust mites off your starving art revolution sound jugglers
Delinquent friend from brick habitat
Bob, weave, stick, move fence and
Pause somewhere in the middle for slick invention
This years brain crop spread spectacular, I ain't mad at ya
Don't stay mad at the caliber
I twist characters like twist characters
Tally up the alley cat aggression
in this Doug E. Fresh infested mess of bassline lust
And automatic B-boy Krylon can combust circuits
Working these war pig cyphers
With Ted Stryker stability and kamakazi chivalry
I alone noble in a worm food feud
Walking dead generation ain't nobody asking for your patience
The grand opening holding me to face the fact
That I knew myself and didn't have to ask nobody else
(Talk about labor) Fantastic planet urchin putting work in
Searching for pertinent verse minus the murderous diversion
Apologies won't lure me to the communal sob story
Nor would I sacrifice lifestyle to benefit jury temperament
This old Green Goblin webcutter butts up against
Crayola daydream landscapes spittin' bedlam
Charge the villagers nickels and nicotine
To watch them fed to one disgruntled kraken at high noon
(We'll sell popcorn, beer and balloons!)
I got an inkling this gon' be the one children bicker over
It's that Warriors vs. Baseball Fury element
To glitch his motor sensory development
I am a star really!
That big bang bastard's back
With a one way ticket to Beat Street
This all is like relevant, to human-kind supply demand ratios, man learn it
I work past the surface
I work on what I love, I work to service all my burdens
And I work till this here little flat line closes the curtains
You obviously don't know your rap..