Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by Denim Chicken, Aug 5, 2014.
Honey Dips in Gotham
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In a loving mood today...
to those who hasn't abandoned this thread because there's not enough arguing about who's the "best"
just a friend
DC Cult Idol (Project Pat) Juicy J's brother of 36. OG (real streets)
I think the point is made; there is rap and there is "rap" for artistic sake (NY underground). Not aimed @ RSpringsman. There is rap, and theirs "rap" Aimed @ no matter where you live bs...makes kind of a big deal tbh. There is a distinction there that must be pointed out. You either lived it or you didn't...the rapper's perspective actually means something ...I can rhyme, not "talk". TBH NY needs to work on their stuff, it's all rhymes with no meaning...part of real rap.
..Biggie would be ashamed He told stories with relevance...
Hip Hop is rhyming and looking cool, rap is knowing the streets and spittin it
I understand what you are saying... But rap is a offspring of hip hop as a culture, and Hip Hop is/ was many things... from music, to art/graf, dance, djaying, street life... etc.
you had folks that rapped about a dance (the pee-wee herman, the steve martin, the smurf). You had those who told story (Roxanne, Roxanne, Warning, Jane, Children's Story, Brenda has a baby) You have conscious stories (slow down, stakes is high, nature of the threat). You had Doug E Fresh who was in a league of his own, And multiple other types of rap... because hip hop is an expressive art.
I think where things become one dimensional is when pop attempts to dictates the art (money controls content)... and that has been the case since 2000 or so,for some. (And remember, pop also doesn't privy you to hearing every artist that is making music) There was a point where kid & play, heavy d, big daddy kane, epmd, the fat boys, and kool g rap could all respect each others music, and dance to it... because it was a way of expression.... and expression has no limits...
love music.... share music..... live life.
Quick little story.... Nas introduced Statik Selektah (producer) to Kanye West... Said he had a great ear in the introduction.
Statik played a track for Kanye West..... Kanye listened for a few minutes... shut it off, and said, "its kool, but jazz is dead" (the music sample was jazzy)
That inspired Statik to make one of the best reviewed hip hop albums of 2014 "What Goes Around" , which is a fusion of jazz and hip-hop....(with many artist)
Music has a life line longer than all of us...
I don't think its fair to put a limit on what music is or could be.... you will relate to what you can (based on many things, common experience, where you live, love of bass, love of harmony, love of a specific instrument, and a infinite amount of other factors)......... and sometime that changes and shifts as you get older, and experience more.....
The law of attraction.
Appreciate ya Big Star... and everyone that has contributed to this thread.
Oh I hear you big time (post was a little booze fueled) I respect and appreciate all forms, just the fact that some rap is "dismissed" by the artistic types that frustrates me. You can cuss and still be articulate, etc. I was speaking also to the homegrown factor, in that some rap shouldn't be held to the same artistic standard as "rhythm rhymers" who have benefitted from great beats and a meaningless concept for their songs (rhyming for rhymes sake - philosophical = rarely) . They are downgraded as a result and that shouldn't be the case at all. I didn't mean to insinuate rappers had to be dealers and gangters for respect, but those who disregard that aspect are also missing on a huge portion of what rap means. The frustration within society is where rap is bread and dismissing this aspect of personal perspective is being lost; esp in the latest gen. A rich kid rapping is great for artistic sake, but doesn't have the same meaning as someone who dealt, killed, done the time for their lifestyle, etc. Should almost be two separate categories to a point. I feel labeling rap as "gangster rap" is a cop out to minimize their perspective but feel that is the primary perspective of rap that should be embraced in terms of socio-cultural expression.
Good observation of rap post 2000...became pop and club (fans embracing the music for much different reasons, etc. than older heads). My favorite group growin up (36) went pop with poppin collar, chicken head, etc. But they still of course had real rap on their cds that weren't radio play. But they were broken
Pat, Tommy Wright III, Skinny Pimp, DJ Fire (DC) Scarface, etc. are a dying breed and that is not good for the genre.
You know your skit You called out the good UG posted...Acres Farm and some of the other ish was really just to include all aspects. Could rarely find my music to post so settled mostly outside of Dayton, Skinny Pimp, Lokee, 8ball, Pat, 36,Criminal Manne, Mac-T Dog, Tinimanne, X-Raided (started rappin over celly phone = got stunted after album hit), etc.
I tell you. I've learned a lot from what have been shared. I knew of some of the artist that you posted. But some of the cats I've never heard of....ish was illmatic. I'm still going back and listening to some of the other stuff, just to see what I missed!
I can't dismiss anybody... i've know cats that's grew up to be doctors, cats that grew up to go to prison, and cats that just didn't get a chance to grow up. All those stories are relevant.... no dismissal. Music is a form of freedom....... What made Rap so hard to analyze at some point was who was being real, and who wasn't! (yes rick ross). Rappers was being "made" like GI Joe action figures (Game). Listening requires concentration so that your brain processes meaning from words and sentences. Listening leads to learning. Much more concentrated skill than hearing. Most just hear.... but who hears to listen?
Keep Listening bro!
I toast my Knob Creek & tonic from last night to whatever you had...
crazy to think that ring tones sales & youtube hits started dictating a music that originated as a form of rebel music.......insanity.
One of the first times I heard "ring tone rap"....
and this track is coolio...... but man....whaaaat!
a two way pager beat?!?!
(notice chicken head/superhead up in here)
POV City 2002
Very true, it would be wrong to dismiss successful rappers and their perspectives (ones who made it either in life or through rap success, etc.) and that is definitely not what I intended. LL, Wu, Cube, Outkast, Eminem, Biggie, 2pac etc. are legends. That type of rap has been missing from the genre lately. Quality meaning is lost to a point @ least on the radio/club. There are rappers from different perspectives that should be embraced (even the wealthy) for artistic sake most definately (kids can spit) but let's not confuse the two, etc.
Lyrics are tight..they need some southern cadence beats
Cool though, being a derk