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How Bad Have Tony Romo's Defenses Been?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by NeonDeion21, Apr 10, 2014.

  1. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    Which is still trying tom absolve specific individuals and elevate their play via numbers.

    I don't agree with trying to justify one player over the team. I am reminded so often this is a team sport. Romo's defenses indicates this has an agenda.

    I don't agree with that agenda. Because when someone mentioned the turnovers by Romo in 2007, the immediate excuse was, Dallas was throwing a lot more long balls.

    Either they win and lose as a team, or not.

    I'd suggest Romo has as big a hand ion both wins and loses as anyone else.
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  2. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Ok. But to be clear again, some opinions are more supportable than others. The opinion that this team has struggled defensively in recent years is a good example of this.
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  3. slomoxn

    slomoxn Well-Known Member

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    iim sorry, was my name on the article? pull your panties out of the bunch, i'd go on about it bbut as i said,, dead horse aand part of the article.
  4. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    Let me be clear.

    I disagree. I think this is clearly a defense of Romo just by the OP's title. Especially when other quarterbacks defenses are compared. Please feel free not to correct my thinking to suit yours.
  5. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Am I free to correct it for no other reason than its wrong, and this is a message board for discussions?

    Not that there'd be anything wrong with a defense of Tony Romo, anyway. But the point of the OP remains: effective passing offenses need effective passing defenses if the team is going to win. That's been well established. This isn't the first thread on the topic.
  6. black label

    black label Well-Known Member

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  7. CowboysFaninDC

    CowboysFaninDC Well-Known Member

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    no question about that....
  8. ufcrules1

    ufcrules1 Well-Known Member

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    If only the stats were a be all end all indicator of how good/bad a player is. Sadly it is not. Saying Eli only achieved what he did because of his defense is pathetic. Eli played phenomenal football in the playoffs leading up to the super bowl and also did what it took to help his team win the super bowl. Eli was part of the solution to his team winning. Eli will be enshrined in the football hall of fame for what he has achieved. I think he is goofy looking/nerdy and don't like him at all, but that won't take away from what I have seen him accomplish.

    Last time I remember Romo in a playoff "type" game was in 2012 when he miserably choked by throwing 3 interceptions, the last one being the nail in the coffin. That isn't the type of guy I point at and say he is amazing and underrated.. if only his defense would help him he would win multiple super bowls.
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  9. DandyDon1722

    DandyDon1722 It's been a good 'un, ain't it?

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    No way does Eli get into the HOF when he's led the league in INTs almost a third of his career and because of that very same defense and because as Skip Bayless points out he's been extremely fortunate with some throws.

    Time will tell who's right but if you think he's a lock I think you're wrong.
  10. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    How do you explain Eli's performance last year?
  11. ufcrules1

    ufcrules1 Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough, we can agree to disagree. He is a 2 time super bowl MVP. Are there any other 2 time super bowl mvp's QB's who are not in the hall of fame?
  12. DandyDon1722

    DandyDon1722 It's been a good 'un, ain't it?

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    Also do you seriously think Russell Wilson or Eli Manning would've won that 2012 game? Better yet, name a QB who could've carried that team that day with the play of the offensive line. You people who think QBs can just carry any team they step on the field with to a Super Bowl are just not based in reality.
  13. DandyDon1722

    DandyDon1722 It's been a good 'un, ain't it?

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    In my opinion he will be the first yet the fact that he is a two time winner yet it's debate able whether he gets in speaks volumes.
  14. ufcrules1

    ufcrules1 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I 100% do. Romo had a REALLY bad game and keep in mind it was against the 30th ranked passing defense in the league. He made bad decisions and poor throws that whole game.
  15. DandyDon1722

    DandyDon1722 It's been a good 'un, ain't it?

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    Ok -- again fair enough. I just personally don't see how, especially not a mobile QB like Eli.
  16. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    Suit yourself. You have the rank here and can defacto out rule me. Otherwise, your stats are excuses because I have seen you post over and over this is a team game.

    Until it suits you that it is not.

    So carry on, boss man.
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  17. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    And have you not lectured me on this being a team sport?
  18. BigStar

    BigStar Stop chasing

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    Tiki is such a pos human being. Definitely the evil twin :D
  19. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Weak sauce. Really weak. I can't pull any rank, and have to 'rule you out' the old fashion way: by making better points than you're making right now.

    I suspect you're intentionally misinterpreting the data because there's no way you'd invert the point this badly on purpose. The entire point of the OP--and the point I've explicitly made in the thread above--is that it *is* a team game, and that the team needs both effective passing and effective pass defense. I've changed nothing 'because it suits me,' and am saying nothing that I haven't said in dozens and dozens of previous threads or that can't be backed up by looking at the results of the actual games.
  20. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Based on the data being used only.... Romo > Rivers.

    I don't know about the rest.

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