How Can We Be 20 Million Over the Cap?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Vinnie2u, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    You have to turn over the roster yearly.

    Dallas can't pay every expensive player they want anymore than they can go sign every one they like in FA.

    When we were under the soft constantly rising cap we could get away with escalating contracts and free spending.

    But due to the nature of the current CBA we will have to lose players.

    Free: Gone

    Carr, Ware, Romo: Restrcutured

    Miles? Becomes a question mark.

    Connor: Gone.
  2. CosmicCowboy

    CosmicCowboy Active Member

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    wow, how many seasons have we done this....
  3. Nation

    Nation Well-Known Member

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    Ware is the player on that list whose contract you take issue with??
  4. coogrfan

    coogrfan Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but...your owner can be a "people person"; your GM can't. The GM needs to be the SOB in the room willing to accept the role of the bad guy who tells aging stars "no". JJ's pattern of behavior over the past twenty years has made it clear that he cannot or will not accept that role. The result is numerous big contracts for players who are either unproven, overrated or just plain getting old.
  5. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    We are not the only ones.
  6. Western

    Western Well-Known Member

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    An objective and an accurate analysis of the ineffective and impractical management structure of the Cowboys organization.
  7. Ren

    Ren Well-Known Member

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    We can restructure some players and get comfortably under to makes some moves in FA but it's kinda like using your credit card to pay your credit card bill we're just pushing the problem into the future where it will be a bigger problem
  8. CosmicCowboy

    CosmicCowboy Active Member

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    BOOM!!! :) I second that....
  9. muck4doo

    muck4doo Least-Known Member

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    Or it can also be we have a jerk like Mara who also added to that cap number to try to bring his own y team some help.
  10. muck4doo

    muck4doo Least-Known Member

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    own y team

    Kinda like: bron yr stomp
  11. coogrfan

    coogrfan Well-Known Member

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    That certainly didn't help, but no one can reasonably claim that our current cap situation is anyone's fault other than our own.

    PAINFROMUKRAINE Well-Known Member

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    I am in agreement with your statments. However, the players need to perform. Jerry's checks do not bounce so the players need to play. They are hired guns and right now some of the hired guns are shooting blanks.
  13. CosmicCowboy

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    :laugh2: not bad....
  14. CosmicCowboy

    CosmicCowboy Active Member

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    bingo...but you better duck Blondie....:starspin
  15. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Actually, we are over the cap because we write our contracts to allow max flexibility.

    Take Carr's deal -- people are all up in arms that he has a 16 mill cap number.

    But here is how his deal breaks down. 5 years - 50 mill. 10 mill of that is signing bonus. The SB is charged at 2 mill a year for the first 5 years of the deal. There is a club option for a 6th year. His base for 2013 is fully guaranteed (as was his 2012 base). So about 25 mill of his deal is guaranteed.

    The guaranteed money could simply have been paid out at a signing bonus. If we did that the bonus would be charged at about 5 mill a year. Instead, what we are going to do is convert his most of his 2013 salary to bonus. That spreads about 13 mill over the next 5 years - including the option year which is year 6.

    What does that mean capwise? It means his hit less than 6 mill for the year.

    So why all these machinations? Why not just have the cap hit all as part of the initial signing bonus?

    Flexibility. If, for example, we don't end up landing a the sort of free agents we want, we simply do nothing and take the 16 mill hit this year. That 16 mill would be the biggest cap hit of the contract.
  16. conner01

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    any team who has a roster where your stars are 30 is gonna be in the same boat. the ravens now have to pay their qb and jus this week i read how they could'nt keep many of their players because they don't have the cap room.
    fans don't get that two contracts for the same amount of money does'nt mean the same things. many of our contracts were designed to restructure and clear space later on. just part of how it works.
    many fans attack jerry for signing guys they supported signing. the roy williams deal is a prime example. free also. don't remember many fans saying let free walk
  17. xwalker

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    You have to realize that those are the cap numbers for the players currently under contract.

    If you compare Atlanta at 4.9M under and Denver at 18.5M under, it's doubtful that you're comparing apples-to-apples. If Atlanta has 3 Free Agents and Denver has 12 Free Agents, then you're comparing a 50 player roster for Atlanta to 41 player roster for Denver.

    Basically those published numbers are meaningless. Dallas put an automatic restructure clause into Carr's contract that will lower it by over 10M for 2013.

    The Cowboys really only have two "bad" contracts, Doug Free and Ratliff. The can reduce the cap by 7M if they release Doug Free.

    If Free is released, he will have been paid 17M for 2-years or 8.5M per season. It's not great, but not really that astronomical for a player that almost everybody thought was going to be a good Left Tackle.

    That leaves Ratliff as the only remaining "bad" contract. It should be a warning to people that want to give Spencer a big long-term contract. Giving big contracts to non-QB players near 30 is a big risk. It is prohibitive to cut Ratliff this year; however, cutting him after the 2013 season will not have a significant affect on the 2014 cap.
  18. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    All of it :laugh2:

    That's why they might have to release Boldin
  19. Smith22

    Smith22 Well-Known Member

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    flacco, boldin, kruger, reed, mckinnie, etc... they are in trouble cap wise. ilb is up for a contract also.

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  20. rbr651

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    Does anyone have the projected numbers for the next four or so years? Just looking at the numbers for one year can be misleading, I want to see what year we finally get healthy and when we are projected to stop paying players that no longer work here. I think we are closer to a SB than we are a 2-14 season, that being said I think are hands are going to be tied for the next couple of years when it comes to signing FA. When it comes down to it I think we might sign a couple of serviceable FA's but no show stoppers. We're going to have to get by with what we have and with what we draft. The one thing that might change our situation would be trading one of our high dollar players, but we've worked the cap over so many times that that might not even be an option at this time. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but if we were to trade, let's say Ware, how much would that actually save us? How much would we still be paying the guy to go somewhere else and win a SB?

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