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How long will the wishbone pistol style work...

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by juck, Dec 5, 2012.

  1. juck

    juck Well-Known Member

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    for the redskins? What other teams in history have tried it in the NFL? I dont remember. It must not work after a while cause nobody uses it much. Not taking anything away from RG3 but this seems trendy like the wildcat? And if it does catch on that makes a transition for many college QBS much easier.
  2. SDCowboy85

    SDCowboy85 Well-Known Member

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    This season and that's it.
  3. juck

    juck Well-Known Member

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    It seems hard to contain for defenses. Who used it before and failed?
  4. SDCowboy85

    SDCowboy85 Well-Known Member

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    Don't have the answer to that but these college offenses usually work for a season and then fade away once Defenses learn what to do.
  5. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Not really the wishbone either.
  6. Zman5

    Zman5 Well-Known Member

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    Wildcat worked for how long? That should give you the answer.
  7. john

    john Member

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    I disagree. There haven't been any qb's with the ability to threaten the edge and drop quickly back and make any throw with accuracy like RG3. It's the perfect offense for him and this team. Look what one elite gifted athlete playing qb can do for a team. I'd be shocked if the redskins don't make the playoffs.
  8. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Chan Gailey was a ton of option read plays at Kansas City with Tyler Thigpen. Same thing with Cam in Carolina last year. It's just inevitable that it's going to "trickle up" from college. Did teams run the Wishbone in the NFL? No, but the NFL ran the ball a whole heck of a lot more when the Wishbone was en vogue in college because that's what the player and coaching talent coming up into the league was versed in.

    I think before too long you're going to see a comeback of Tampa 4-3 defenses with Dexter Coakley and Derrick Brooks undersized and fast linebackers who can run out in the horizontal perimeter and chase down all these bubble screens and behind the LOS passes.
  9. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    The following NFL teams have used some aspect of the pistol offense:

    Kansas City Chiefs
    Miami Dolphins
    Pittsburgh Steelers
    Detroit Lions
    Buffalo Bills
    San Francisco 49ers
    Carolina Panthers
    Washington Redskins
  10. Wayne02

    Wayne02 Well-Known Member

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    There fixed it for ya.
  11. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Advantages

    The pistol formation can be used in a variety of ways, because the quarterback is closer to the line of scrimmage than a traditional shotgun formation. This allows him to see more easily over the line and make down field reads. He will also get the ball snapped to him faster, which can alter timing patterns greatly for a preparing defense. The pistol offense can effectively use draw plays, counters, and options using three wide receiver formations or multiple tight ends combined with a fullback for pass protection.

    In a pistol formation, hand-offs occur 2-3 yards closer to the line of scrimmage than in the shotgun. This can make for a more effective running game, but may limit pass efficiency due to quicker recognition of play-action by linebackers and defensive backs. This formation works well with dual threat quarterbacks who can both throw and run and is also used when quarterback's mobility has been limited by injury.

    This is nothing like the wildcat. Wildcat is one formation the Pistol is multipul formation it is not the wishbone. Before asking how long it will last you may want to find out what it is all about.
  12. btcutter

    btcutter Well-Known Member

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    maybe so but it takes ONE hit then he's out.
    Just ask Steve Young.

    To be successful in the NFL for long periods, you need to stay in the pocket and pass.
  13. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    Didn't Steve Spurrier try some college type stuff with the Redskins that only lasted a year until the whole NFL figured it out?
  14. CitySlicker202

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    In essence, the Pistol Offense is a 3 headed attack (will they give it to the RB, will the QB keep it and run, or is it a playaction attack?). The more weapons we get on offense, the more dangerous the Pistol could be despite how much "video" or "film" there is of it. The Pistol keeps you guessing with a mobile QB behind center with a rocket arm and Olympic track speed.
  15. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    WCO I guess was just a fad? :laugh2:

    God people wake up. :laugh2:
  16. Wayne02

    Wayne02 Well-Known Member

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    Tell that to Romo. QB's can get hurt on any given snap whether they're scrambling or standing in the pocket being protected by a tackle like Doug Free, this hurt scenario most of you are coming up with to discredit RG3 just doesn't hold any weight.
  17. CitySlicker202

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    In essence, the Pistol Offense is a 3 headed attack (will they give it to the RB, will the QB keep it and run, or is it a playaction attack). The more weapons we get on offense, the more dangerous the Pistol could be despite how much "video" or "film" there is of it. The Pistol keeps you guessing with a mobile QB behind center with a rocket arm and Olympic track speed. If Morris is getting off, it helps the playaction or an over commit to the run giving RG3 WIDE open run lanes in the flats.
  18. 187beatdown

    187beatdown Lack of Big Plays

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    These gimmick offenses always seem to be the next big thing until they fizzle out the next year.
  19. TheIceman

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    The pistol is just one formation from which the read option offense can be run from. So the real question is how long the read option offense can last. Tim Tebow and the Broncos were really the last team to run the read option, but Tim Tebow lacked the speed of RG3 or the throwing accuracy to really make it work to perfection. RGIII provides a real threat of handing the ball off to the league's 3rd best rusher, running it himself, running it himself with a pitch option to a speedy receiver, or faking and dropping back to throw. No one has been able to make this offense work before mainly because no one has ever had as dynamic of a player as RGIII. Time will tell how long it works.
  20. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I guess WCO was a gimmick, do you even understand this offense. There are many things you can do out of it, it is not just some QB option system.

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