Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by burmafrd, Dec 27, 2007.
Before some moronic libs blame Bush for Bhutto's assasination?
I don't know.
But I was thinking about how this impacts the Presidential campaign.
I think it helps McCain and Rudy for the Republicans and Hillary for the Democrats.
I think it hurts anyone who has scant foreign policy experience. Like Huckabee or Romney.
Not sure how it impacts Paul. His followers are tough to predict.
Too early to tell. Depends on what happens over there. Musharaffe still has control at this time.
Is it going to take before you get your head out of Bush's rectum?
No he didn't do this...but his list of wrong doings is long but distinguished.
How long are you going to be just another Lib with his head burried up his own rectum?
Someone who STILL to this day supports and defends Bush after all we know and you're coming in here and calling people stupid or moronic.
You need to look in the mirror...you'll see those things.
LOL, I'm no lib but I'm sure not all libs are morons.
What do you mean? 99.9% of his followers are pro-civil liberties, that isn't very tough to predict. We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and over-run by bureaucrats. The founding fathers would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with. If you look at every single problem were facing today. It is because of the lack of respect for the rule of law in the Constitution. Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Never voted to raise taxes
Never voted for an unbalanced budget
Never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership
Never taken a government paid junket
Never voted to increase the power of the executive branch
Voted against the Patriot Act
Voted against regulating the internet
Voted against the Iraq War
Does not participate in the lucrative Congressional Pension Program
Returns a portion of his annual Congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year
There is absolutely no reason to ever give up any personal liberty to be safe.
Anyone that knows me KNOWS that I'm not a Liberal or a Conservative...I have Liberal views for somethings and I have Conservative views for others.
But with Burm...if you don't agree with him...you're a Stupid/Moronic/Terrorist loving Liberal.
That's like me. I have liberal views on some things, and conservative on others. I think it is called being well rounded. The only people that are morons/idiots/whatever, are those that subscribe to an extreme ideology without regard for opposing views or the consequences of their inability to see the danger of the extreme end to their ideology.
December 27, 2007 Who Killed Bhutto? (updated)
Conventional wisdom would point the finger at Islamic extremists in Pakistan as the ones who pulled off the successful assassination of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto. They made no secret of the fact that killing Bhutto was their number one priority.
They despised her relative secularism and the fact that she was a woman doing man's work. But most of all, they needed to kill her in order to bring unrest to Pakistan, thus setting the stage for what they hope could turn into a bloody civil war and the victory of extremists.
In this scenario, al-Qaeda and those who sympathize with them both in and out of government could be responsible for her death. The intelligence service, ISI, has many Islamist sympathizers in its ranks and getting through the security that surrounded Bhutto could have been facilitated by the professionals in Pakistani intelligence. As details of the attack are revealed, that aspect of the puzzle may come together.
Who else might have carried out such an attack? The Pakistani people are apparently blaming President Musharraf, thinking he offed her in order to get rid of a rival for power. Or, their reasoning goes, he had Bhutto killed in order to re-establish some kind of one man rule.
The problem with blaming Musharraf is that the last thing the Pakistani president wants at this point is violence in the streets. Dawn is reporting that tear gas is already being used against protestors in Peshwar and the possibility of millions of Pakistanis rioting in the major cities is Musharraf's main nightmare at the moment. This is not to say, as I mention above, that elements of the government weren't in on the plot. But Musharraf would have to have a death wish to kill Bhutto.
Is it possible that this was a lone nut? Possible but not very likely. Security surrounding Bhutto was several layers deep and it would seem extremely unlikely that someone could wander through the security net and blow himself up. This is why the finger keeps coming back to a detailed plot with perhaps complicity among Bhutto's bodyguards. The reason for that speculation is that early reports indicate that shots were fired inside the vehicle immediately before the suicide bomber detonated himself. It could be that the bomber was able to push his way into the car following Bhutto who witnesses say was shot as she was getting into the car.
The next few days will tell the tale for Pakistan and its efforts to bring democracy to the country. Elections, scheduled for a little more than two weeks from today, will feature a new leader of Bhutto's Pakistani People's Party. Can he or she fill Bhutto's shoes?
If not, Pakistan is in for some very dangerous times.
Update: Thomas Lifson adds:
Is there a connection between the killing of Bhutto and Musharraff's campaign in the Swat Valley? Quite possibly.
From December the 8th ABC News (Australia - not related to American ABC News), the Pakistani Army is claiming the Swat Valley is clear of Islamist militants. Musharraff's forces have killed 290 rebels and arrested another 143, but pro-Taliban cleric Maulana Fazlullah is still on the run with about 200 to 400 "hardcore fighters, including some foreigners."
It's not unreasonable to assume that remnants of Fazlullah's forces are behind the attack on Bhutto given that they were kicked out of the Swat Valley almost three weeks ago and are desperate to continue their campaign of de-stabilization. Also, Maj Gen Janjua of the Pakistan Army says it will take about four months to completely restore order in the Swat Valley. In the meantime, pro-Taliban forces could very well have dispersed and then regrouped to conduct the attack.
Update from Marc Sheppard:
Adnkronos International is reporting its conversation with Al-Qaeda’s Afghanistan commander and main spokesperson Mustafa Abu Al-Yazid in which he claimed the terror-network’s responsibility for Bhutto’s murder, stating:
“We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat [the] mujahadeen.”
The article, which attributes no exact time to the conversation, continues:
“It is believed that the decision to kill Bhutto, who is the leader of the opposition Pakistan People's Party (PPP), was made by al-Qaeda No. 2, the Egyptian doctor, Ayman al-Zawahiri in October.
Death squads were allegedly constituted for the mission and ultimately one cell comprising a defunct Lashkar-i-Jhangvi’s Punjabi volunteer succeeded in killing Bhutto.”
While certainly no surprise, once verified this should serve as stark reminder of just how radical Islam exercises its veto power.
I don't think anyone will be THAT big of a moron to say Bush had anything to do with this. They would be exposed as the fools they are, even if they think it inside.
What I do expect however is that once the smoke clears, they will point a finger at Bush saying how he is aligned with Mushariff who could be considered one of the guys responsible. Thus making a guilt by association assertion. While that also is moronic, they will try to make the point.
Steven, if what you just posted is true, and I don't doubt it because I have nothing to refute it, then some folks who have been taking the terrorist thing lightly need to rethink their position, because this shows that they are focused on US wherever they think we are. If they viewed Bhutto an American asset then that should tell you how bad they want to kill us.
What you are saying is true. But as with most things that happen on this Earth. Only the Lord knows the true facts. You have to be well rounded in your political views. Not everything is so black & white. You also can't just get all of your news from once source. By doing so you risk some of that news not being 100% accurate. You have to ask questions, not just eat everything that they feed you.
I think so too.
Yeah but Steven, do you also believe in Bigfoot? How about flying saucers?
The point is that some things are just too ridiculous to believe to give them any credence.