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Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Bob Sacamano, Apr 24, 2007.

  1. Bob Sacamano

    Bob Sacamano Benched

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    *trade 2nd round, pick #53 and 3rd round, pick #87 for pick #38 in the 2nd round

    *trade 4th round, pick #122, 6th round, pick #195 and 7th round, pick #212 for pick #112, in the 4th round

    1st round, #22 Florida State LB Lawrence Timmons...6'1" 234

    Combine measurements:

    4.66 40
    1.5 10-yard dash
    2.68 20-yard dash
    6.92 3-cone drill
    4.32 short-shuttle
    35" vertical
    25 reps of 225
    10'3" long jump

    The Skinny Athletic LB who played both weak-side and strong-side OLB when Florida State ran 3-4 sets, is better suited inside in the 3-4, is great in coverage with fluid hips, can run side line to side line, and is an explosive edge-rusher, played DE in pass-rushing situations as a Sophomore, as well as the gunner on STeams, plugging his bench, vertical and long jump into Pat Kirwan's strength and explosion formula, Timmons scores a 70.03, which is superb, Dallas said to be interested in Timmons

    2nd round, #38 USC WR Dwayne Jarrett...6'4" 219

    Pro-Day measurements:

    4.62 40
    1.58 10-yard dash
    2.64 20-yard dash
    36 1/2" vertical
    10'1" long jump
    4.2 short-shuttle
    7.28 3-cone drill

    The Skinny Prototypical possession receiver, has a big body, nice body control, long arms, runs good routes, reaches the ball at it's highest point, is productive over the middle of the field, and especially in the red-zone, lack of top-end speed and down-field speed causes him to slip, maybe not this far down, but it's possible, you cannot deny his production against top competiton despite speed being an issue, including burning potential top 10 CB Leon Hall, Dallas brought in Jarrett for a visit

    4th round, #112 Missouri Southern OT Allen Barbre...6'4" 300

    Combine measurements:

    4.84 40
    1.65 10-yard dash
    2.81 20-yard dash
    28 reps of 225
    4.63 short-shuttle
    7.4 3-cone drill
    32" vertical
    8'9" long jump

    The Skinny Athletic OT who is rising up draft boards thanks to running a 4.84 40, as well as scoring highly on the rest of his drills at the Combine, according to NFLDraftScout, courtesy of masonmenos, Barbre excelled as both a run and pass-blocker, he also projects to OG in the pros, Dallas is said to be interested in Barbre

    5th round, #159 Kent State CB Usama Young...5'11" 196

    Pro-Day measurements:

    4.39 40
    1.46 10-yard dash
    2.51 20-yard dash
    15 reps of 225
    43" vertical
    10'11" long jump
    4.31 short-shuttle
    6.65 3-cone drill
    11.98 long-shuttle

    The Skinny Productive 3-year starter for Kent State, possesses excellent triangle numbers, is on the rise thanks to a great Pro-Day workout, Dallas is said to be interested in Young

    6th round, #200 Boise State QB Jared Zabransky...6'2" 219

    Combine measurements:

    4.56 40
    1.53 10-yard dash
    2.65 20-yard dash
    35 1/2" vertical
    9'3" long jump
    4.08 short-shuttle
    6.78 3-cone drill

    The Skinny Fiercely competitive and fiercely athletic QB prospect, is raw as a passer, but is a fantastic athlete with a live arm, and although he's raw, he still managed to complete 62.2% of his passes for his career, reminds many of Jeff Garcia

    7th round, #234 Kansas State DT Quintin Echols...6'1" 328

    Measurements:

    25 reps of 225
    5.05 40
    1.73 10-yard dash
    2.93 20-yard dash
    31 1/2" vertical
    8'8" long jump
    4.78 short-shuttle
    7.95 3-cone drill

    The Skinny Prototypical NT who proved to be an immovable force in the middle at K-State as well as in the Shrine Game practices, is good at shedding blocks

    7th round, #237 Hawaii HB Nate Ilaoa...5'9" 245

    Combine measurements:

    4.77 40
    1.63 10-yard dash
    2.75 20-yard dash
    25 reps of 225
    30" vertical
    8'7" long jump
    4.42 short-shuttle
    7.10 3-cone drill

    The Skinny Intriguing HB who began his UH career as a WR, amassed 1,000 yards both as a rusher and receiver, including averaging 7.5 yards a carry and 10.8 yards a reception his final 2 seasons, because of his size and lack of much speed, he better projects to FB in the pros where his rushing and receiving skills can make him a threat

    this scenario addresses Jerry talking about adding impact players for both sides of the ball with Timmons and Jarrett, in addition to that, we get an immediate nickel corner, backup NT, developmental QB and playmaking FB, and throw in a nice prospect for the line in Barbre
  2. dannyboy

    dannyboy Member Zone Supporter

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    I would draft Aaron Ross in 1st and DeOssie in 5th

    Not bad overall aggressive
  3. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    I guess I don't "get" the Timmons pick Bob. It doesn't help our pass rush one iota. I'm not crazy about Brady James either but after giving him a mint last year I would just as soon give him one year under Phillip's system to see if he can turn things around.
  4. Tobal

    Tobal Well-Known Member

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    I think I'd look at taking the best WR or DB on my board and if I traded back up it would be to grab Moss or Spencer.

    I think the ultimate might be to drop a few spaces grab WR, DB then I'd have more Ammo to jump back up and get Spencer a falling Moss, WR or DB.

    This only works if you have alot of these guys rated closely together. I just can't without question target one of the DB's or WR's it seems like sucha crapshoot so I say you might as well drop a little and get something in addition.
  5. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Oh I would too. I think both Moss or Spencer (I prefer Spencer) are much more likely to solve immediate needs. Drafting a guy that can play out-side makes it possible to move Carpenter inside. I just don't get the idea behind drafting Timmons. I mean you draft Timmons and who what? Put Brady on the bench? OK, how does that help the pass-rush? Heck we can put Brady on the bench by moving Carp inside and replacing him with another OLB prospect like Spencer. Spencer or Timmons-- It's a "no brainer" in my opinion.
  6. ZeroClub

    ZeroClub just trying to get better

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    I really like the concept of moving up in the 2nd round in order to catch falling 1st round talent.
  7. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Agreed.

    But in the past we've moved up in the 2nd round to catch 3rd round talent. :D
  8. Tobal

    Tobal Well-Known Member

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    But we did that so we could sign them to a longer contract!!!! cough
  9. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    OMG.

    Unbelievable.
  10. Bob Sacamano

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    guess you didn't read the part where he's explosive rushing off the edge and was called on to rush the passer as a nickel DE, Timmons is a playmaker plain and simple, he can make plays against the run, in coverage, and rushing the passer, and I don't think keeping Carp outside would be such a bad idea, he has all the ability to be a nice counterpart to Ware, I think both he and Carp could be versatile backers that could play either inside or outside, it gives us great flexibility in how we line up and play
  11. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Bob, I just can't see us spending a #1 on an ILB... I just don't see it. He's not an accomplished pass-rusher now-- at least to the extent that the kid from Purdue is.
  12. Bob Sacamano

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    I can't argue w/ that, but to say he won't help at all there is quite the exaggeration

    btw, Spencer isn't that accomplished either since he wasn't much of a factor in the pass-rush until his final year

    also, why does Carp have to move inside? I think he would be just fine outside

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