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I need some honest opinions on Gun Control

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by Temo, Jul 27, 2009.

  1. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    why digress? we finally agree!

    except this isn't why i bought my guns. i don't wanna charge into any battle. but if *crap happens* and the world plunges into chaos, waving a steak knife at someone breaking into my house likely won't even make them giggle at me as they unload their fully automatic weapons on me.

    now, the world is different now too - let's not just look one way but let's use the sheer power of our ability to adhere to yet adjust the constitution to work in todays world vs. just say "doesn't apply".

    and that's what can be very cool about the forum. people who disagree but with respect and a good zombie reference.

    but maybe i missed it, i've still yet to see what we need to address that the current laws don't. what do people want to "ban" per se?

    assault rifle is too generic.
    folding stock - outlaw that? there goes a lot of horrible .22's.

    what do we need we don't already have? outside of a clear defination of what an "assault rifle" is?
  2. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    and the very point i made to start my dive into this thread and have asked several times.

    no one can answer that but something must be done. however, to me w/o the defination of what you're out to accomplish, nothing will ever change, not even the arguing.
  3. ScipioCowboy

    ScipioCowboy More than meets the eye. Zone Supporter

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    Similarly, it's quite compelling to cling to the ideal that we can make tyrants, despots, and even violence obsolete by simply working to create a society in which guns are no longer necessary. After all, guns are the source of all evil in the world. They and they alone prevent us from building the Leftist utopia envisioned by intellectual giants such as Michael Moore and Babs Streisand.

    But I digress.

    I imagine it's very fulfilling and emotionally gratifying for one to believe that he would die rather than live in society so degraded that guns are absolutely necessary. However, the harsh truth is that, when presented with such a situation, the primary goal will always be survival, not some unrealistic ideal.
  4. Hostile

    Hostile Peace Zone Supporter

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    At the bottom you said you were tired. Maybe you just don't realize how tired.

    No matter how you spin it, you are the one who introduced the idea of the Military turning on the people and that being why we say we need assault weapons.
  5. Hostile

    Hostile Peace Zone Supporter

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    That wasn't the justification though. That is part of the Amendments to the Constitution because they were coming from governments who wouldn't allow an armed populace so that they could control them.
  6. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    Ok. It seems somewhat important to you that you be right on this, so you can have it. I'm not sure exactly what I'm spinning, but clear I spun it. yJust write up the confession, I'll sign on the X. At some point in that quote (perhaps in the large bolded, red part?) I said the military was coming to kill you.
  7. Hostile

    Hostile Peace Zone Supporter

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    Mostly my head. Gonna cause me to throw up if you aren't careful.
  8. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    let me ask you this in reverse.

    where did ANYONE say we needed the ar15's to stop our military from attacking the private citizen.

    seems to me *you* put that scenario in play. not anyone arguing for the rifle.
  9. Aikbach

    Aikbach Well-Known Member

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    I own an assault rifle and I stopped a thief that broke into my car with it, it worked quite nicely, the gun was not even loaded but the mere sight of it was enough to make the perp surrender and lay down on my drive way.
  10. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    You could have just as easily used Conans huge melon head to frighten off the crook.;)
  11. Hostile

    Hostile Peace Zone Supporter

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    I heard something one night and looked out my window. There was a guy outside looking in my truck. It just so happened I had my compound bow out. I went outside and snuck up behind him and said, "when you take off running, you better be zig zagging." His knees buckled.

    Your story and mine display something I am trying to get across. Thieves are cowards. They do not like to face someone who may be armed. It's like having a dog. They don't want to deal with the dog. If thieves know no one is armed any more and they don't see or hear a dog, they are going to be braver about breaking into your house. It still happens even though people do own guns, but they are more cautious.

    The article I posted mentioned arming teachers. I personally don't think there are many who would arm themselves, but the mere threat of one might make these psychopaths choose somewhere other than schools. Hell, give every school two armed police officers. Anything to make these guys think about taking their rampage somewhere else. They choose schools because the targets are like fish in a barrel.

    People don't like to admit there are purposes to guns and one of them sadly is self preservation. Some people think the only two avenues of survival are run and hide. That leaves behind too many targets for the animal. I would prefer to try and stop him. Even if it means I die.
  12. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    All too many people and society as a whole have gotten soft and weak. All too many are ready to lay down and let anyone walk all over them. They defend this by saying violence of any kind is wrong; and that fighting back does no good anyway. They make me puke.
  13. Bach

    Bach Benched

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    I'd love to see the Dems try to reenact the assault weapons ban - it'd lead to 1994 all over again and get most of them kicked out of office quicker than you can say 'Nancy Pelosi'.
  14. MetalHead

    MetalHead Benched

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    You and I know this is no coincidence.
    It's been done by design...the wussification of America.
  15. BigDFan5

    BigDFan5 In Tebow I Trust

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    Thats my next gun Springfield XD .45 cal


    At the risk at exposing myself as a gun nut here is my collection

    My carry weapon is a Taurus 24/7 Pro compact .40 cal

    Rossi .357 2" Barrel

    Bersa Thunder 9mm

    Glock 22 .40 cal

    Springfield 1911 stainkess .45

    Smith and Wesson 686

    DPMS AR-15

    SKS Chinese assault rifle

    and 6 various shotguns (2 auto) 4 pump
  16. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    heh - cool. good to know i'm not going overboard. : )
  17. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    Weren't those on the flight really just choosing how they would die, like those that jumped out of the World Trade Center? They knew they were going to die anyway given they weren't normal highjackings and they knew about the other suicide crashes?
  18. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    They had a shot at regaining control of the plane so your arguement as usual is weak. With a little luck they might have done it. As the saying goes better to die on your feet then live on your knees. IT did not work out but I doubt that they would have just sat there even if they knew the end result.
  19. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    can you stop pressing one point and admit that it's also possible they were trying to save their own lives as well, NOT choosing how to die?
  20. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    how exactly was I pressing "one point" when I wrote it only once is beyond me but since you demanded I stop, I will "press" it even more.

    since none of them could fly a jumbo jet, I think it is obvious they were just not going to let the plane be flown into anything, in effect sacrificing their lives for others but still they knew they were going to die.

    those that jumped off the 100th floor for example were not trying to save their lives because no sane person would think they were going to survive. they took control of their situation and decided how they were going to die, nothing wrong with that in the least.

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