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I think I was wrong...

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by Danny White, Jan 7, 2008.

  1. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    I've thought for a while that Hillary was going to win the nomination and election, but I think I was wrong.

    I'm obviously not a Democrat, and I can't claim to know how y'all think, but just watching this video, she's just so patently phony, I'm beginning to understand how even hardcore Democrats are turned off by her.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVlwH7-05Fk&eurl=http://redstate.com/


    I guess that leaves Obama to run away with the nomination?
  2. arglebargle

    arglebargle Well-Known Member

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    One can only hope. I definitely prefer an outsider at this point. Better the devil I don't know about than the same old devils....

    Just finished re-reading Elizabeth Drew's 'The Corruption of American Politics', which, unfortunately, strikes a resonance with me. Don't know if McCain and Thompson are as good as portrayed there, but the corrosive partisanship of the present day is shown well. And the reasons campaign reform continually fails are well documented. Nothing in the book would make me want to vote for Hillary though.....
  3. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Pow! Pow!

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  4. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
  5. morieeel

    morieeel Member

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    So much for sleeping tonight!!:nolook:
  6. kmp77

    kmp77 Active Member

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    If you're gonna be President....don't be crying! There's no crying in bas....politicing!!!
  7. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    I am not so sure we can write her off yet.
    Again, the southern states and California, NY will decide this nomination and those are yet to be written. Hillary is dominating in Florida and California currently.

    All that said, Obama has more charisma by far, and as soon as he hits a state hard he clearly starts grabbing votes left and right. But in every state he hasn't hit hard he trails by as much as 20 percent. That's a lot to continually overcome.

    I can live with either candidate but under Obama we will see much higher taxes.
  8. Rackat

    Rackat Active Member

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    Actually, that will be true if any Democrat is elected. Which is why I won't vote for Democrats on the National Level. It's hard enough to make ends meet without those bastids taking more money out of my pocket. I swear, between FICA, Social Security, and and all the other taxes, plus medical insurance that comes out, I lose almost a $1,000 every two weeks in my check. And the only thing that is worth it is the fricking health insurance. Social Security won't be there when I am ready to retire and the bastids keep taking it out. GIVE ME AN OPTION! I would like to take that money and invest it for myself, not keep having it taken to prop up socialist programs that don't work.

    :bang2:
  9. Rackat

    Rackat Active Member

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    And charisma means crapola for a President. I don't care if s/he is charismatic, can they run the country? Then elect them.
  10. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    :bow: It feels good to hear someone else say that.
  11. PosterChild

    PosterChild New Member

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    She's toast.

    And that performance yesterday only served to remind and reinforce to many people the suspicion that's she is a fraud and will go to any lengths to gain power. Just in case anyone harbored any delusions to the contrary. Deception? Sure! Gender card? No problem!

    Big picture looks like Obama vs Huck or Romney at this juncture. McCain will have some meltdown moment in the near future--I'm just waiting. Running a campaign against Obama is going to be tricky for the R's.
  12. arglebargle

    arglebargle Well-Known Member

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    Sorry Rack and Zrin, not so. Social security would be working fine if it weren't for our dear capitalist politicians robbing it for 40 years. With a few simple changes it can be back on track despite the pillaging.

    I don't complain anyway, as my SS payments helped my grandmother and my parents.

    And, in any case, taxing to pay for your spending is much better than borrowing to do it....
  13. Rackat

    Rackat Active Member

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    Yep, politicians on both sides have been robbing Social Security for decades. It's like their rainy day fund.

    I complain because the system is broken. It needs to be fixed or trashed.

    I disagree with your premise. Borrowing means there is a plan to pay for it because you have to get the money back. Taxing means that it doesn't matter what you "purchase" because you can just increase the amount you take from the people being governed. That is one of the main reasons why we are no longer a part of the England.
  14. Sasquatch

    Sasquatch Lost in the Woods

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    I sympathize with this mentality to an extent but socialized medicine in most countries produces better outcomes by most objective measures than our own. The "you have to wait in long lines" argument, to the extent that it's even true, neglects the fact that EVERYONE is allowed a place in line in other countries whereas we kick several million to the curb.

    Military personnel receive "socialized" medical care, don't they? Do you advocate privatizing that?

    Um, what was the subject of this thread again? Oh yeah, Clinton isn't my favorite democrat, but I'll not celebrate her defeat until a few months from now. I'm not buying into the media hype that her campaign is finished although I'm hoping that Obama or Edwards or Kookie emerge with the nomination.
  15. arglebargle

    arglebargle Well-Known Member

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    Your presumption that there is a plan to pay it back does not ring true to me. The "Starve the Beast" Norquist afficianados would be happy to bankrupt the government, IMO. While continuing the corporate welfare.

    It is a reason that I tend to like Huckabee, Paul, Obama, even Edwards and McCain: Without campaign finance reform, this government is essentially for sale. I don't think that the Romneys and Clinton types will do anything about it. Clinton helped torpedo finance reform before. Partisan bickering and cheerful corruption are millstones around the neck of modern government. So I am all for a 'change' vote.
  16. Sasquatch

    Sasquatch Lost in the Woods

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    Election reform is the key issue that none of the candidates are talking about. It's my number #1 priority.
  17. Rackat

    Rackat Active Member

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    OK, so when a government borrows money, you don't think they are going to pay it back? The US forgave a lot of debt after WWII and has forgave debt since then, but that doesn't mean that those governments who had their debt forgiven were free not to pay it back if it had not been forgiven. Conversely, the Tax and Spend group doesn't care what they spend because they just go back to their cash cows, us.

    (It should be called Spend and Tax rather than Tax and Spend because that is what really occurs)

    I am not for change for change sake, but I would be happy to vote for any person with a way to fix our government. But to ask those benefiting from keeping us from campaign reform to enact campaign reform is a little naive on our parts. If there is ever to be campaign reform it will have to come from the Judicial Branch because the legislators will not legislate themselves out of money.
  18. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    Surprise surprise ...... Socialism to the rescue!

    :rolleyes:
  19. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    Military personal get medical care because of the job they do ..... not because they are merely here.

    I do not think its even close ..... that would be like me saying the insurence I provide my workers is socialism.

    The American people are paying those soldiers for the Job they are doing for the country .....
  20. arglebargle

    arglebargle Well-Known Member

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    If you can find a country with lower taxes and a better, more capitalist health system, you could move there, you know. ;)

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